From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23926: defcustom with STANDARD= gives confusing results Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 17:03:39 +0300 Message-ID: <8360sehps4.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83vb0fgu83.fsf@gnu.org> <87k2gvhvql.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <838txbgfgx.fsf@gnu.org> <837fcvgdho.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1468073125 20439 80.91.229.3 (9 Jul 2016 14:05:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 14:05:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 23926@debbugs.gnu.org To: Noam Postavsky Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 09 16:05:15 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bLssb-0007se-Rt for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 16:05:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51060 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bLssa-00039A-Vq for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:05:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46918) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bLssU-00037c-OH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:05:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bLssQ-0003GK-DA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:05:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:60128) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bLssQ-0003G5-9M for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:05:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bLssQ-0003t5-3l for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:05:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 14:05:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23926 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 23926-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23926.146807304314872 (code B ref 23926); Sat, 09 Jul 2016 14:05:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 23926) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2016 14:04:03 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44232 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bLsrT-0003ri-9B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:04:03 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55661) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bLsrR-0003qq-BU for 23926@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:04:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bLsrI-00033f-UY for 23926@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:03:56 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:40519) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bLsrI-00033S-Rf; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:03:52 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1737 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bLsrD-0004Mn-Hx; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:03:49 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Noam Postavsky on Sat, 9 Jul 2016 09:48:18 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:120689 Archived-At: > From: Noam Postavsky > Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 09:48:18 -0400 > Cc: 23926@debbugs.gnu.org > > On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > > For now, we just compare to the > > previous recorded value (computed at dump time, I presume). > > Dump time? This doesn't apply to non-preloaded libraries though, right? Right. > > The question is, given the above, do we need to actually do anything > > with this report, except close it? > > Either really save the original value, or don't call it the "original > value". We can't use "default value" because that's already used for > the non-buffer local value, unfortunately. I think "standard value" > could work, though Drew said it was unclear. Why change anything in the wording at all? It won't really change what is being done, and won't prevent any confusion, because all this "standard", "original", "default" etc. are not well defined anyway.