From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12065: 24.1; `custom-magic-show': set to "no", cannot get back again Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2016 10:16:25 +0300 Message-ID: <8360rel646.fsf@gnu.org> References: <04EBBBCAD8654AC7B0EB2447BE595FEC@us.oracle.com> <87h9ay94y7.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <2e75b433-131f-49c8-9939-2c00ba7e2827@default> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1470467851 25458 195.159.176.226 (6 Aug 2016 07:17:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2016 07:17:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net, 12065@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 06 09:17:27 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bVvrB-0004f0-8z for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2016 09:17:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48337 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bVvr7-0004tY-2N for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2016 03:17:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50344) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bVvr0-0004sf-QQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2016 03:17:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bVvqw-0000Pu-Jf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2016 03:17:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:59800) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bVvqw-0000Pq-FU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2016 03:17:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bVvqw-0002c0-CS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2016 03:17:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2016 07:17:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12065 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug Original-Received: via spool by 12065-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12065.147046781210022 (code B ref 12065); Sat, 06 Aug 2016 07:17:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 12065) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Aug 2016 07:16:52 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57097 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bVvql-0002ba-RI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2016 03:16:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59314) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bVvqj-0002bN-Oe for 12065@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2016 03:16:49 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bVvqb-0000OV-HB for 12065@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2016 03:16:44 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59866) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bVvqS-0000NE-Ox; Sat, 06 Aug 2016 03:16:32 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1660 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bVvqQ-0007Lw-LP; Sat, 06 Aug 2016 03:16:31 -0400 In-reply-to: <2e75b433-131f-49c8-9939-2c00ba7e2827@default> (message from Drew Adams on Fri, 5 Aug 2016 17:03:51 -0700 (PDT)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:121880 Archived-At: tags 12065 + notabug thanks > Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 17:03:51 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 12065@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Apart from doing a setq manually, there is an "Apply" (it's labeled "Set > > for current session" in 24.1) button at the top of the buffer. > > Huh? I don't understand how that means that this is not a bug. You've misunderstood what Noam was saying, that's all. > You might not have the will or resources to fix this now, but > this certainly must be a bug. And this is an uncalled-for attack. Are you working on acquiring yet another member of the project who will not want to work on your bug reports? If so, you are on the right path. > If a user can change the value using the Value menu then it > should be possible to change it back again, _using the Value > menu_. What Noam tells you is this: if you click "Apply" after selecting any other value, the "State" button reappears. And the help-echo on the "Apply" and "Apply and Save" buttons is also revealing. > It makes no difference that there might be other ways to change > it back. This bug is about using the Value menu (and then the > State menu). There is no bug that I can see, Emacs is behaving as documented and as expected, since hiding that button is part of what the nil value does. > The point of this bug is that using the Value menu is a one-way > street, exceptionally, in the case of this one option. No, it isn't. See above. > That's not normal - why should this option be an exception to how > Emacs Customize works? Because that's its purpose. > And if you change the value to short or long there is no such > problem. Indeed, as documented. > Using the Value menu to change the value to no should make the > State menu disappear. Period. That's what Emacs does.