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* bug#24443: 24.5; Feature: C-n and C-p to move logically while DOWN and UP move physically
@ 2016-09-15 12:56 Ed Avis
  2016-09-15 14:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
  2019-09-29  4:30 ` Stefan Kangas
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Ed Avis @ 2016-09-15 12:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 24443


The change in Emacs 23.1 to move up and down by visual lines was
certainly an improvement in usability.  But for some cases such as
keyboard macros it is safer to use the old movement by logical lines.
The Emacs wiki notes that you might want to temporarily change the value
of line-move-visual before calling or recording a macro.  This works,
but it is a bit awkward.

Could I suggest that it might make sense for the more 'expert'
keystrokes C-n and C-p to default to logical line movement, while DOWN
and UP continue to move visually?  Most people who use C-n and C-p will
be Emacs old-timers and remember the logical movement, or at least
understand how to rebind the keys to switch them to visual movement.
This way, rather than two key bindings for the same thing, the different
kinds of line movement both have a key binding.

I think this would make recording macros and other specialized kinds of
cursor movement a lot less fiddly, while keeping the less surprising
behaviour for the ordinary arrow keys.




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2016-09-15 12:56 bug#24443: 24.5; Feature: C-n and C-p to move logically while DOWN and UP move physically Ed Avis
2016-09-15 14:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-15 14:51   ` Ed Avis
2016-09-15 15:18     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-15 15:23       ` Ed Avis
2016-09-16  9:33         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-09-16  9:34           ` Ed Avis
2016-09-16 10:02             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-29  4:30 ` Stefan Kangas

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