From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Three cheers for Eli! Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 18:49:04 +0300 Message-ID: <83602yd027.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20180528174225.GA4316@ACM> <300eabee-1f11-268c-619f-373399d65ad2@yandex.ru> <83vaazdiiq.fsf@gnu.org> <87fu23b1je.fsf@mbork.pl> <87602z2l3x.fsf@aminb.org> <87efhnar8u.fsf@mbork.pl> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1528127317 4039 195.159.176.226 (4 Jun 2018 15:48:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 15:48:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: aminb@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org, kaushal.modi@gmail.com, john@yates-sheets.org To: Marcin Borkowski Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 04 17:48:32 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fPrii-0000vE-Nv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 17:48:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40514 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPrkp-0000yO-8x for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 11:50:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47158) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPrjK-0000x6-RJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 11:49:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPrjJ-0004EC-V6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 11:49:10 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:50829) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPrjD-0004Bv-L6; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 11:49:03 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2213 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fPrj6-0006Eb-C2; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 11:48:56 -0400 In-reply-to: <87efhnar8u.fsf@mbork.pl> (message from Marcin Borkowski on Mon, 04 Jun 2018 10:30:09 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:225998 Archived-At: > From: Marcin Borkowski > Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 10:30:09 +0200 > Cc: rms@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org, kaushal.modi@gmail.com, > Eli Zaretskii , john@yates-sheets.org > > > Instead of attempting to explain it myself, I'll refer you to > > this [0] article by RMS, called Why Open Source misses the point > > of Free Software, which explains it much better than I could. > > I understand that, but Eli said > > > There's no doubt open-source projects do > > exist, it's just that GNU projects are not among them. > > I thought that GNU projects are rather in the intersection of "free > software" (in FSF sense) and open-source. That sentence confuses me. If yiu understand what Richard wrote in the article pointed to by Amin, then I don't see how it could confuse you. the GNU project explicitly does NOT want its software to be labeled "open-source".