From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Some developement questions Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 15:40:47 +0300 Message-ID: <835zzdpltc.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8336v6cvem.fsf@gnu.org> <877ekigiiw.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <837ekhb2me.fsf@gnu.org> <87zhxcbmtr.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83in409lub.fsf@gnu.org> <871sanb71j.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83y3cu7t9j.fsf@gnu.org> <87lg8t2ki9.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <20180827015422.lcq44zvsjffeau4j@Ergus> <83a7p76f5e.fsf@gnu.org> <87lg8p9o6y.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83pnxx1foj.fsf@gnu.org> <87bm9d9zs9.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87efe75v02.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <87sh2lu471.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <87r2i4p2f8.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <87h8ix7gy3.fsf@toy.adminart.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1536583921 30558 195.159.176.226 (10 Sep 2018 12:52:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 12:52:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, phillip.lord@russet.org.uk To: hw Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 10 14:51:56 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fzLfY-0007oZ-0Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 14:51:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51536 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fzLhe-0005Jn-J4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 08:54:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33691) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fzLeS-0001yY-In for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 08:50:51 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fzLUk-0004IN-GI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 08:40:51 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:37936) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fzLUk-0004Hy-BA; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 08:40:46 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2239 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fzLUe-0006u4-7q; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 08:40:40 -0400 In-reply-to: <87h8ix7gy3.fsf@toy.adminart.net> (message from hw on Mon, 10 Sep 2018 13:59:48 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229624 Archived-At: > From: hw > Cc: eliz@gnu.org, phillip.lord@russet.org.uk, spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 13:59:48 +0200 > > Richard Stallman writes: > > So how are Emacs` key bindings for cursor movement more efficient than > the cursor keys, given that the Alt key does not work? The Alt key does work, you probably have your keyboard misconfigured. > Eli pointed out that window managers like to use the Alt key for > themselves so that it never arrives at Emacs. Not Alt itself, some combinations that begin with Alt. Like Alt-TAB, for example. There are very few such combinations, and Emacs avoids binding important functions to them. So I think explaining that in the tutorial would not be TRT, as the issue is quite obscure.