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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: When and how to register various font backends
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 17:47:07 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <835zp8xlzo.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m24l4s1f3w.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Robert Pluim on Fri, 14 Jun 2019 15:16:51 +0200)

> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 15:16:51 +0200
> 
> >>>>> On Fri, 14 Jun 2019 15:19:14 +0300, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> said:
> 
>     >> (xft xfthb x)
>     >> 
>     >> Reordering that to put xfthb first is a matter of reordering the
>     >> register_font_driver calls in Fx_create_frame
> 
>     Eli> That's true, but we don't want to have 3 font backends in the list,
>     Eli> because then looking for a font that isn't available on the system
>     Eli> will take much longer (Emacs tries to find the font with each backend
>     Eli> in turn).  We want to have only 2 backends by default.
> 
> That I think pleads for your solution, where xfthb is preferred to xft
> unless xft is specifically requested.

Both solutions provide this, the difference is in how you request
specific backend, and at which point in frame's life cycle you
can/should request that.

>     Eli> I'm not sure removing x (and gdi on Windows) is a good idea, even in
>     Eli> Emacs 28.  I understand (more accurately, was told very recently) that
>     Eli> HarfBuzz was designed to be able to work with any font, not just OTF,
>     Eli> but I'm not sure our integration of HarfBuzz allows that.  We should
>     Eli> actively test that with old fonts, like bitmapped fonts and BDF,
>     Eli> before we make the decision.  For example, I suspect the methods we
>     Eli> currently use for finding fonts suitable for HarfBuzz filter out
>     Eli> non-OTF fonts (at least on Windows, this is definitely so).
> 
> OK. So itʼs just xft (and uniscribe) weʼd be removing, eventually.

We can only remove those if we require HarfBuzz and don't support
builds without HarfBuzz.

> (add-to-list 'default-frame-alist '(font-backend xft x)) works already, no? And
> presumably continues to work with your solution.

No, it doesn't work with my solution, at least not reliably, because I
didn't intend it to work.



  reply	other threads:[~2019-06-14 14:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-07 19:40 When and how to register various font backends Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-14  9:14 ` Robert Pluim
2019-06-14 12:19   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-14 13:16     ` Robert Pluim
2019-06-14 14:47       ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2019-06-15  9:50         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-17  3:03           ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2019-06-17  9:41           ` Robert Pluim
2019-06-17 16:01             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-18  1:29               ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2019-06-18 17:26                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-18 23:21                   ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2019-06-19 16:42                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-14 16:54     ` Andy Moreton
2019-06-14 10:52 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2019-06-14 11:52   ` Robert Pluim
2019-06-14 12:26     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-06-14 13:24       ` Robert Pluim

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