From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#15335: emacs -Q usability Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 20:07:41 +0200 Message-ID: <835zh2t5aq.fsf@gnu.org> References: <52302EEA.6090805@easy-emacs.de> <87sgk6gvfg.fsf@marxist.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="17007"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 15335@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 23 20:47:33 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iuiRv-0004Mf-W9 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 20:47:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60536 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iuiRu-0006W9-Qz for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 14:47:30 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41127) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iugtf-000281-0R for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 13:08:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iugtd-0005i0-RA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 13:08:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:47167) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iugtd-0005hV-Nt for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 13:08:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iugtd-00077Z-Je for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 13:08:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 18:08:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15335 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 15335-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15335.157980287827363 (code B ref 15335); Thu, 23 Jan 2020 18:08:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 15335) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jan 2020 18:07:58 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53140 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iugtZ-00077H-QD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 13:07:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60152) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iugtX-000774-LW for 15335@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 13:07:56 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:34780) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iugtR-0004nd-UI; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 13:07:49 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3240 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iugtP-0005uv-32; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 13:07:48 -0500 In-reply-to: <87sgk6gvfg.fsf@marxist.se> (message from Stefan Kangas on Thu, 23 Jan 2020 14:21:39 +0100) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:175178 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 14:21:39 +0100 > Cc: 15335@debbugs.gnu.org > > Andreas Röhler writes: > > > Emacs -Q opening with scratch buffer is a mistake in most cases. > > > > Please make Emacs star as general purpose Editor, preferably with an empty buffer, > > in text- or fundamental mode, where use may see it's input, being offered to save it etc. > > > > See also > > > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18734848/choosing-an-all-purpose-editor/18735853 > > Do new users generally run "emacs -Q" though? I would have assumed > that they either just run "emacs" (probably from a menu somewhere), or > "emacs ". I think this horse has been beaten ad nauseam, and every time we discussed it, we decided to keep the current behavior. It's time to put this to rest, IMO.