From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Drop the Copyright Assignment requirement for Emacs Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 22:54:00 +0300 Message-ID: <835zd29rjb.fsf@gnu.org> References: <9mmFgzvrBwjt_n_VJyaJdXINraNi5HsGpwq-0MLeKiJA7kG2BQA4uywrzjyz7lpRS0OZDpjEi8lspOKYUA7P_QsODsDew_8nbH960G55fmY=@protonmail.com> <87d07xamrg.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <878silajdl.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87tv18pyh4.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83zhaih0oz.fsf@gnu.org> <83pnbegsvm.fsf@gnu.org> <547c9116-c1c3-8563-4aee-c62aa2302861@yandex.ru> <838shybfdo.fsf@gnu.org> <3f79ff6e-2471-fa6d-08ff-682afd504eca@yandex.ru> <83v9l29yz3.fsf@gnu.org> <87o8qujs0p.fsf@randomsample> <83lfly9vvs.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="60589"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, deng@randomsample.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 11 21:54:44 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jYEVf-000FfQ-BO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 11 May 2020 21:54:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56478 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYEVe-0001q0-Bh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 11 May 2020 15:54:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56868) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYEV7-0001Jy-8D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2020 15:54:09 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45568) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYEV6-0003B9-4m; Mon, 11 May 2020 15:54:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2233 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jYEV5-0005Ul-Ke; Mon, 11 May 2020 15:54:07 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Dmitry Gutov on Mon, 11 May 2020 21:58:45 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249880 Archived-At: > Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Dmitry Gutov > Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 21:58:45 +0300 > > On 11.05.2020 21:20, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >>> We can say the same without having the packages in ELPA, we just need > >>> to tell them in addition to set up package.el for MELPA. > >> No, we cannot do that. MELPA contains packages promoting non-free > >> software and services, so at least Richard would surely veto that. > > If your problem is mentioning "MELPA" the name, we don't have to do > > that. How to add any site to the package.el setup is already > > documented in the Emacs user manual. > > If we don't do any of that, we can't create a publish a user-friendly > guide "How to IDE" on our website. I don't think we should give up our standards to gain a couple of marketing points. It is completely backwards, IMO, to put that cart ahead of the horse. We are supposed to develop high-quality software first and advertising ourselves second, not the other way around.