From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Motif support Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2021 09:17:01 +0200 Message-ID: <835yretqtu.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87ilvgwfor.fsf@telefonica.net> <83a6grx1o9.fsf@gnu.org> <834k6zwvi1.fsf@gnu.org> <87h7azilmu.fsf@yahoo.com> <87sfujh4a2.fsf@yahoo.com> <877dbuhm6j.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16294"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: xenodasein@tutanota.de Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 24 08:21:47 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n0etf-00043t-4J for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 24 Dec 2021 08:21:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41876 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0etd-0006vx-St for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 24 Dec 2021 02:21:45 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41642) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0ep8-0004FF-3L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Dec 2021 02:17:07 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=51380 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0eow-0006a3-9h; Fri, 24 Dec 2021 02:17:02 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=yINc+tVh50XKFS8DjkNL3qwrD/coeB+Lhp2qyQowmhM=; b=eSNMyTuqC4HqicsRicgV 1w6PNBnylhBTli7XyUzyq50+3CxZlFIa8EfpzJmmqeQL2Cv0/J9Cep185OGJDntVnrsuLCR+iBVLG 8GfkuQFt2pWR3F/adOo8WdeXYlpxwv5r8WuhSvGLb8FzSQWCvv/fGT9eMdeE5NfdUtn99V/GUKoQM 2s3n2ozBdgj8vn/OQSWsMMXTHCeXtT/Ja34nSJsPd8ue9WGNLSJjNblAbkzPW4rFC4hKRmUTIU2U+ VUWWps1xXFih5B6xfWdboyxYX/SWGfA+9s0yIuKAsVRZ0Chk+Abk6u7gqK6QMrxlYzyUEINwxBXsp v5EJUW85IiluHw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4343 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0eow-0004JI-3e; Fri, 24 Dec 2021 02:16:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: (emacs-devel@gnu.org) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283091 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2021 02:17:32 +0100 (CET) > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." > You kinda have to use platform dependent features directly, as we > are not programming into aether.  However, painting menus isn't one. > You don't need a third-party solution, whether it is from platform itself > like legacy win32 GUI elements or another library.  Using them is like > using a sledgehammer to drive a nail in Emacs' case. We could even do > the text rendering itself too, provided an expert would contribute it to > Emacs.  But no one said let's do text rendering, AFAIK. But we already have all that -- that's the X build without any toolkits. Almost no one uses it, because any toolkit version looks much nicer, so we can conclude today what would be the result of your suggestions. Producing a good-looking GUI application is a lot of low-level work, and suggesting that we do all or most of that "by hand" is really a non-starter.