From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is admin/unidata/copyright.html a free software license? Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 15:52:05 +0300 Message-ID: <835y58v9qi.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83pm3gvdho.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="12629"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ulrich Mueller Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 21 14:52:22 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qY4OM-00031Q-15 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2023 14:52:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qY4Nq-0005UA-V3; Mon, 21 Aug 2023 08:51:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qY4Nn-0005Tw-Ry for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Aug 2023 08:51:47 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qY4Nn-00076T-HQ; Mon, 21 Aug 2023 08:51:47 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=a2T727wyzFCmqseRLkq19fsJyHFljIIZdVrcVzB3FYw=; b=FhorbMxg72AI CIZxV6sNcglNovNy6n8dEB2wIQ67C0J295kteuaYqev/adRvHuYUg2y4CMvCJ259jZd7IMUV1G5J3 g6xU5BOb5hxvWpAcJIGf3AyOTUP7ssJDQFVUdpa5cuVJRr2DSuPn6GtCOf5DxpXSdxohnM1FYykDu rAOOSv/cOUBA0e4/ZEgt0CIj3cYuJjN7rvCD00Qm90ck/01XT6CmxH/PnwfWBUGGMA38DU71AhHQy MbNtrUebIWeALnwLwNWExDQtf4WLjGEBasJ0vAADla2yTpqWbD7+hYAih7RqD75qpGqoJM5t+Mbol Ro08fZDfsKDOo6nInjHfhg==; In-Reply-To: (message from Ulrich Mueller on Mon, 21 Aug 2023 14:48:51 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309075 Archived-At: > From: Ulrich Mueller > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2023 14:48:51 +0200 > > >>>>> On Mon, 21 Aug 2023, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > This was indeed discussed, and the conclusion was that it's okay for > > us to distribute these files, and to distribute data based on those > > files as part of Emacs. > > Could you point me to the previous discussion please? No, it was not on a public forum. > I don't disagree that these files can be distributed (at least > currently). However, merely being distributable is a much lower standard > than being free. As you yourself say, correctly, these files contain data, not code, and the data is of the kind that hardly ever justifies copyright. > >> I am also surprised that these lists in admin/unidata/ or, in general, > >> a character set can be copyrightable. (For example, everyone uses ASCII > >> without thinking about copyright of the underlying ANSI X3.4 standard. > >> The same applies to several much larger CJK character sets.) > > > So therefore why are you raising this non-issue, from your POV? > > But is it a non-issue? Why would Unicode claim copyright for these files > if they aren't copyrightable? I have no idea. Feel free to ask them.