From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xah Lee Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: a look at the browser scene & emacs Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:18:34 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: <8358de80-5198-41e5-b4a2-04e681d359d1@p20g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1235575253 6397 80.91.229.12 (25 Feb 2009 15:20:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:20:53 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 25 16:22:07 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LcLZx-0005HX-S6 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:21:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34790 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LcLYc-00059l-NE for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:20:22 -0500 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!p20g2000yqi.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs Original-Lines: 38 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.226.219.33 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1235539115 1607 127.0.0.1 (25 Feb 2009 05:18:35 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 05:18:35 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: p20g2000yqi.googlegroups.com; posting-host=69.226.219.33; posting-account=bRPKjQoAAACxZsR8_VPXCX27T2YcsyMA User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X 10_4_11; en) AppleWebKit/525.27.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.2.1 Safari/525.27.1, gzip(gfe), gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:167049 comp.emacs:97856 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:19:58 -0500 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:62371 Archived-At: News about the browser world http://www.macworld.com/article/139022/2009/02/safari4firstlook.html?t=3D23= 2 emacs really needs to keep up. The IDE idea, from 1990s to 2000, basically reduced emacs market share from perhaps more than 50% in the early 1990s to maybe 1% today among professional programers. emacs today has lots of problems. Many of the =E2=80=9Cemacs way=E2=80=9D, = are technically inferior. But the nice elisp system holds it back still. The way for emacs to advance, is to get more people to use emacs. Emacs users today are already just the very small clique, half of which are perhaps over 40. With these small circle of people, every idea that's not =E2=80=9Cemacs way=E2=80=9D gets stamped out. Emacs 22 took a few major step, by having syntax highlighting on by default, and CUA mode as a option. Emacs 23 took it further, by having cursor move by visual line, and have highlight selection on by default. I presume that in emacs 24 might have CUA mode on by default... but these changes are happening quite late. The emacs on the mac, in particular Aquamac emacs and Carbon emacs, did significant job in saving emacs from oblivion. There are a lot needs to be done, especially on the Windows platform because it is used by most people. =E2=80=A2 The Modernization of Emacs http://xahlee.org/emacs/modernization.html Xah =E2=88=91 http://xahlee.org/ =E2=98=84