From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Fiddling with the menus Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 06:07:21 +0300 Message-ID: <834osgl63a.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83my68lvuu.fsf@gnu.org> <87tz0gwpls.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1249873659 17662 80.91.229.12 (10 Aug 2009 03:07:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 03:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: xah@xahlee.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Aug 10 05:07:32 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MaLER-0007wE-De for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Aug 2009 05:07:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59502 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MaLEQ-000741-Sl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:07:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MaLEM-00073w-P9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:07:26 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MaLEK-00073g-Bs for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:07:25 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=36767 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MaLEK-00073d-6b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:07:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout7.012.net.il ([84.95.2.19]:17803) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MaLEI-0007En-4W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:07:22 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.i-mtaout7.012.net.il by i-mtaout7.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0KO500L004GRBL00@i-mtaout7.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Aug 2009 06:07:21 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.228.224.142]) by i-mtaout7.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0KO5009B44O80M90@i-mtaout7.012.net.il>; Mon, 10 Aug 2009 06:07:21 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87tz0gwpls.fsf@mail.jurta.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (1203?) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:113931 Archived-At: > From: Juri Linkov > Cc: Stefan Monnier , xah@xahlee.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 02:14:23 +0300 > > It is also important to remove some keywords. You just said: > > In a good UI, each feature should be put under a group whose name > gives a hint that the feature could be reasonably looked up in that > group. Having group names such as "Advanced" or "More options", that > have no mnemonic value, is abusing the menus, which are supposed to > make the job of finding a feature _easier_, not harder. > > Exactly the same can be said about keywords. There are keywords that > have no mnemonic value like "convenience", "extensions", "tools". > They should be removed with re-indexing existing packages. Yes, I agree.