From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 20:21:49 +0200 Message-ID: <834msmp6pu.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87388bnzha.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87k31mdbhe.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87tx0qiv45.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87h9wqd3i5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fvc8kdsp.fsf@gnu.org> <6e11cd85-09a0-4b7a-baa2-0c810bdebbce@default> <871tnsg0w7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <834msoqrsg.fsf@gnu.org> <87k31ki3tc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83zjafpu3b.fsf@gnu.org> <87d27b5hu0.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83a92fow6r.fsf@gnu.org> <21656.62195.233339.678762@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419358964 7633 80.91.229.3 (23 Dec 2014 18:22:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 18:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lennart.borgman@gmail.com, adatgyujto@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 23 19:22:37 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3U6O-0000SF-8K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 19:22:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45800 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3U6N-0006r6-CL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 13:22:35 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48066) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3U5u-0006qg-2i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 13:22:11 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3U5o-0004ky-I0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 13:22:05 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout28.012.net.il ([80.179.55.184]:59205) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3U5o-0004kk-9N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 13:22:00 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout28.012.net.il by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NH100100RRY3W00@mtaout28.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 20:19:46 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NH10035US8Y4L00@mtaout28.012.net.il>; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 20:19:46 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <21656.62195.233339.678762@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.184 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180588 Archived-At: > Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 13:43:31 +0900 > From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" > Cc: lennart.borgman@gmail.com, > adatgyujto@gmail.com, > emacs-devel@gnu.org >=20 > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > I think a "typical" user will want to be in that node as well, w= hen > > she wants to read about "cut and paste". >=20 > You mean >=20 > 12.3 =E2=80=9CCut and Paste=E2=80=9D Operations on Graphical Di= splays >=20 > In most graphical desktop environments, you can transfer data > (usually text) between different applications using a system > facility called the clipboard.=20 >=20 > right? And its subsections. > I agree that the *user* wants to be there, but I'm not sure > *we* want her to be there. In particular, on "i cut" I would be ve= ry > tempted to land her in the parent, "Killing and Moving Text". YMMV= , > but when I introduce students to Emacs, I do want them to read at > least a little about the power of "killing" vs the limitations of > "cutting"! Did you read the text that follows? If not, please do, it mentions killing and yanking right away.