From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ASCII-folded search [was: Re: Upcoming loss of usability ...] Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 11:17:07 +0300 Message-ID: <834mltd0qk.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20150615142237.GA3517@acm.fritz.box> <87ioamz8if.fsf@petton.fr> <32013464-2300-46c6-ba46-4a3c36bfee5d@default> <87twu62nnt.fsf@mbork.pl> <87oakdfwim.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83wpz1lh7c.fsf@gnu.org> <83oakdl7yj.fsf@gnu.org> <83ioall3x5.fsf@gnu.org> <87h9pzxtyi.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87k2uudoqr.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87616c94g4.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87h9pw6922.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87a8vn75r7.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <0f72b0bd-0170-414c-b926-0b836a973d67@default> <9b42a5bc-48e3-4111-b37d-280867903527@default> <12de813f-cffa-4231-95a4-5b9ee2709123@default> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1435393059 12756 80.91.229.3 (27 Jun 2015 08:17:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 08:17:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bruce.connor.am@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 27 10:17:31 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8lIo-0004NL-MG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 10:17:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34797 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8lIn-0004kn-Sg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 04:17:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47681) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8lIa-0004kQ-Gz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 04:17:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8lIX-0000UJ-7t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 04:17:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:58263) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z8lIW-0000UA-Vu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 04:17:13 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NQL00100GA2MR00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 11:17:10 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NQL001ZJGCLH950@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sat, 27 Jun 2015 11:17:10 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.172 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187588 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 15:54:58 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: emacs-devel > > > May be you can convince me otherwise. But I think that most > > users will never customize the equivalence class used. > > Most users never toggle case sensitivity, perhaps. So what? Please drop this futile argument. Your dispute has no basis and no evidence based on rel-life usage experience. It has no hope of being resolved in constructive way. We have just installed that feature, and it's still being worked on to eliminate some rough edges and unintended consequences. Let it be refined, then let it be used by users (including you, Drew) for some time, and then let's collect user experience and complaints and see if something needs to be fixed. _Then_ we will have experience and real data points to discuss constructively and efficiently.