From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: bruce.connor.am@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: ASCII-folded search [was: Re: Upcoming loss of usability ...]
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2015 11:17:07 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <834mltd0qk.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a6bb8f58-1e27-47cc-8f77-766b8e8ff9b4@default>
> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 15:54:58 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> Cc: emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
>
> > May be you can convince me otherwise. But I think that most
> > users will never customize the equivalence class used.
>
> Most users never toggle case sensitivity, perhaps. So what?
Please drop this futile argument. Your dispute has no basis and no
evidence based on rel-life usage experience. It has no hope of being
resolved in constructive way.
We have just installed that feature, and it's still being worked on to
eliminate some rough edges and unintended consequences. Let it be
refined, then let it be used by users (including you, Drew) for some
time, and then let's collect user experience and complaints and see if
something needs to be fixed. _Then_ we will have experience and real
data points to discuss constructively and efficiently.
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2015-06-15 14:22 Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-15 14:46 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-06-15 15:34 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-15 20:00 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-15 20:16 ` Nicolas Petton
2015-06-15 21:04 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-16 6:34 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-16 12:03 ` Robert Pluim
2015-06-16 12:35 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-16 13:10 ` Yuri Khan
2015-06-16 12:58 ` Andy Moreton
2015-06-16 23:53 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-22 13:24 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-06-22 15:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-15 15:14 ` raman
2015-06-15 15:23 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-15 15:30 ` Kaushal
2015-06-15 15:31 ` Kaushal
2015-06-15 16:33 ` Stephan Mueller
2015-06-15 15:38 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-15 18:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-15 18:42 ` Nicolas Petton
2015-06-15 16:11 ` Ulrich Mueller
2015-06-15 17:18 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-15 17:44 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-15 19:38 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-15 16:43 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-15 17:43 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-16 0:50 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-16 22:18 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-17 6:59 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-16 23:56 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-15 19:38 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-15 20:57 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-16 15:55 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-16 22:43 ` Emanuel Berg
2015-06-17 7:17 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-17 1:54 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-17 6:21 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-17 6:36 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-17 8:05 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-18 4:07 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-17 13:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-17 18:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-18 4:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-18 7:15 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-19 2:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-19 7:41 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-19 11:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-19 14:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-19 16:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-19 20:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-28 19:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-28 23:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-26 15:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-26 19:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-26 22:49 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-26 23:59 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-27 2:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-28 1:10 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-28 5:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-30 10:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-30 13:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-30 14:12 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-30 15:32 ` Andreas Schwab
2015-06-30 15:47 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-30 15:54 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-30 17:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-30 19:44 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-30 22:15 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-30 17:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-30 20:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-30 14:37 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-30 15:23 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-07-01 13:28 ` Andy Moreton
2015-07-01 16:56 ` Paul Eggert
2015-07-01 18:06 ` Andy Moreton
2015-06-27 12:22 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-27 14:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-28 9:52 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-28 15:35 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-29 9:13 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-29 14:50 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-29 21:52 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-30 1:51 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-30 16:53 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-28 17:52 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-28 19:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-28 20:28 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-28 20:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-28 23:05 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-29 5:59 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-29 14:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-29 21:53 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-29 22:08 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-28 19:27 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-28 19:54 ` chad
2015-06-28 21:14 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-28 21:37 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-29 21:49 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-18 4:29 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-18 7:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-18 12:02 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-19 4:06 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-19 9:02 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-19 15:36 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-23 22:22 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-23 22:47 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-24 17:20 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-25 22:24 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-26 13:57 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-22 1:44 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-22 8:42 ` Elias Mårtenson
2015-06-23 16:01 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-22 13:57 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-22 15:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-23 12:38 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 17:06 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-23 18:07 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-24 18:24 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-22 15:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-22 18:32 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-22 18:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 3:16 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-23 11:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-23 13:02 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 13:22 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-06-23 18:22 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 19:29 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-23 19:53 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 14:03 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-23 18:39 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 19:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-23 19:12 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 22:22 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 15:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 18:17 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 18:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 19:05 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 19:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 19:51 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 20:29 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-23 20:42 ` Matthew Carter
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2015-06-23 20:55 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-29 9:13 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 13:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-23 14:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-23 22:22 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 22:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-24 14:55 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-24 15:44 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-25 7:49 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-25 15:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-25 22:49 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-26 1:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-26 13:57 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-26 19:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-27 12:20 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-27 15:36 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-28 9:51 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-26 13:58 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 15:36 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-23 15:42 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-24 15:13 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-24 15:49 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-24 18:55 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-24 19:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-25 1:28 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-23 12:41 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 18:50 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-23 14:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 19:57 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-24 14:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-17 14:41 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-17 14:58 ` Nicolas Petton
2015-06-17 16:03 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-17 18:30 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-17 18:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-17 19:28 ` Steinar Bang
2015-06-18 4:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-18 4:52 ` ASCII-folded search [was: Re: Upcoming loss of usability ...] Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-18 5:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18 7:48 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-18 8:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18 8:16 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-18 8:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18 9:50 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-18 10:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-22 20:49 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-22 21:02 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-22 21:03 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-22 22:24 ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-22 23:28 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-23 22:49 ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-24 8:03 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-24 14:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-24 17:41 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-24 18:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-06-24 21:44 ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-24 21:57 ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-24 21:59 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-24 22:22 ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-25 1:56 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-25 17:49 ` Kaushal
2015-06-25 22:27 ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-26 9:32 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-26 12:13 ` Kaushal
2015-06-26 15:19 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-26 17:20 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-26 18:42 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-26 18:42 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-26 19:08 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-26 20:34 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-26 21:56 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-26 22:54 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-27 8:07 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-27 8:17 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2015-06-26 17:14 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-27 22:48 ` Juri Linkov
2015-06-26 15:11 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-23 16:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 17:20 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-23 17:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 16:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 17:19 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-06-23 17:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18 5:27 ` Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs Ulrich Mueller
2015-06-18 5:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18 7:08 ` Ulrich Mueller
2015-06-18 7:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18 16:44 ` Ulrich Mueller
2015-06-18 17:23 ` Steinar Bang
2015-06-18 17:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18 18:13 ` Steinar Bang
2015-06-18 18:26 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-06-18 20:18 ` Steinar Bang
2015-06-18 21:27 ` Steinar Bang
2015-06-18 18:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-18 20:16 ` Steinar Bang
2015-06-19 4:24 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-18 4:49 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-06-17 16:18 ` Robert Pluim
2015-06-18 12:00 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-18 20:11 ` Robert Pluim
2015-06-18 7:05 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-18 7:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-19 9:03 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-20 6:02 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-20 17:37 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-20 19:43 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-21 14:16 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-21 19:50 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-22 13:55 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-22 15:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 12:37 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 13:08 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-06-23 15:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-23 22:21 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-24 2:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-24 14:56 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-24 15:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-24 19:09 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-25 7:49 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-25 14:27 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-24 9:29 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-06-24 14:54 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-23 16:25 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-23 17:53 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-06-23 22:54 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-23 22:21 ` Richard Stallman
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2015-06-15 16:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-17 7:16 ` Daniel Colascione
2015-06-17 8:15 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-17 8:40 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-17 9:02 ` Yuri Khan
2015-06-17 11:20 ` Tassilo Horn
2015-06-17 12:27 ` Artur Malabarba
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2015-06-29 14:57 ` Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs Drew Adams
2015-06-29 15:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-29 16:14 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-29 16:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-29 21:52 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-30 2:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-30 16:53 ` Richard Stallman
2015-06-30 17:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-06-30 22:20 ` Paul Eggert
2015-07-01 16:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-07-01 19:33 ` Paul Eggert
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