From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master db828f6: Don't rely on defaults in decoding UTF-8 encoded Lisp files
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 16:37:34 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <834miiipr5.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwv37y2hf6x.fsf-monnier+emacsdiffs@gnu.org>
> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 08:21:59 -0400
>
> > E.g., try saving a foo.el with the following contents:
> >
> > (setq string "א“”")
> >
> > using cp1255, then kill the buffer and visit it again.
>
> AFAIK saving in this way requires very explicit action on the part of
> the user. She gets what she asked for.
Who does? We are talking about 2 different people here, the one who
was sloppy forgetting the coding cookie, and another who visited it.
> I can imagine a future where we don't even support Elisp files using
> another coding system (i.e. throw away the load-with-code-conversion
> machinery).
I'm not sure this can be done. AFAIK, a few files under leim/quail
are encoded with non-UTF encoding, and for a good reason.
> > More generally, I think we should require any text file in the Emacs
> > repository that includes non-ASCII characters to have an explicit
> > coding cookie, so that these subtle problems don't lie low because
> > most Emacs contributors live in UTF-8 locales.
>
> My view OTOH is that the future is utf-8 only
If you know the future, perhaps you could suggest which shares of what
companies I should invest in? Why waste such an important insight on
some insignificant piece of software?
> we need to find ways to go from here (i.e. "need a coding: tag for
> any non-ASCII file") to there. I don't have an answer in general,
> but prefer-utf-8 is a step in that direction, which can be used for
> some class of files (e.g. Elisp).
I think there's no way from here to there, not as long as our encoding
detection's reliability is what it is.
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2015-09-21 19:57 ` [Emacs-diffs] master db828f6: Don't rely on defaults in decoding UTF-8 encoded Lisp files Stefan Monnier
2015-09-21 20:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-24 16:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-24 21:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-25 7:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-25 12:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-25 13:37 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2015-09-25 22:32 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-26 6:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-26 6:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-26 14:31 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-26 15:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-26 16:01 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-26 16:09 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-26 17:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-26 18:53 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-26 19:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-26 20:26 ` Chad Brown
2015-09-26 21:50 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 4:44 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 5:29 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 7:38 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 7:46 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 7:52 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 9:47 ` Andreas Schwab
2015-09-27 9:54 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 10:03 ` Andreas Schwab
2015-09-27 10:12 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 11:10 ` Andreas Schwab
2015-09-27 22:48 ` Richard Stallman
2015-09-28 2:41 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-28 6:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-28 15:08 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-28 15:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 7:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 7:52 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 8:00 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 8:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 8:29 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 8:37 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 8:40 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 8:50 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 10:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 8:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 7:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 16:03 ` Chad Brown
2015-09-27 18:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 19:52 ` Chad Brown
2015-09-27 20:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-26 20:32 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 7:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 7:42 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 9:20 ` Rustom Mody
2015-09-27 10:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 20:21 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 21:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 8:22 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 8:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 9:56 ` Andreas Schwab
2015-09-27 10:04 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-27 10:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 10:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 10:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-27 20:05 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-26 17:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-26 18:51 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 0:12 ` stephen
2015-09-27 4:44 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-27 6:20 ` stephen
2015-09-27 8:34 ` Paul Eggert
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