From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: sbaugh@catern.com
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Managing environments (Python venv, guix environment, etc.)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 21:59:50 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <834m78qnh5.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bn1gnx4q.fsf@earth.catern.com> (sbaugh@catern.com)
> From: sbaugh@catern.com
> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 13:59:33 -0400
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> > It may seem to you that remote access is similar to a different
> > environment, but in fact they are very different. Environment is not
> > a property of a file name, it is a property of a project.
>
> Environment is not a property of a project either, it's something else
> entirely. A project doesn't necessarily have an environment associated
> with it, and an environment isn't necessarily asociated with a
> project.
Then perhaps it's time to clarify what an environment really is? I
don't think that has been done in this discussion; if I missed
something, please point that out.
> If we embed the environment into the file name, then the environment
> also becomes a property of a file name.
But since an environment is not a property of a file name, doing that
would be a mistake, it seems.
> > Moreover, past attempts I know about to use file handlers for
> > processing local files turned out to have subtle misfeatures.
>
> I would be interested to see previous failed attempts to use file
> handlers on local files, can you point me to an example?
cygwin-mount, for one.
> AFAIK jka-compr.el works fine.
Because it takes great care not to touch anything that changes the
semantics of file names: the file name still behaves the same with and
without jka-compr. By contrast, AFAIU environments cannot do that by
their very nature.
> Anyway, isn't the file-name handler interface a generic way to abstract
> over access to the underlying operating system, not just a method for
> implementing remote-access?
No.
> Wouldn't a change that caused file-name handlers to be only usable
> for remote acces, be a bug?
Yes, but the best way of fixing a bug is to avoid it in the first
place.
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Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-07-14 21:36 Managing environments (Python venv, guix environment, etc.) sbaugh
2016-07-15 16:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-17 22:41 ` sbaugh
2016-07-18 10:15 ` Andreas Röhler
2016-07-18 14:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-18 19:13 ` sbaugh
2016-07-19 13:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-24 3:35 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-24 8:25 ` sbaugh
2016-07-24 23:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-21 0:32 ` sbaugh
2016-07-22 20:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-23 7:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-24 3:26 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-24 8:25 ` sbaugh
2016-07-24 14:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-24 17:45 ` sbaugh
2016-07-24 17:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-24 19:05 ` Spencer Baugh
2016-07-24 19:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-25 4:50 ` sbaugh
2016-07-25 17:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-28 0:47 ` sbaugh
2016-07-24 23:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-25 2:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-25 5:01 ` sbaugh
2016-07-25 17:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-25 7:07 ` Michael Albinus
2016-07-25 12:49 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-25 13:03 ` Michael Albinus
2016-07-25 13:06 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-25 13:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-28 0:02 ` sbaugh
2016-07-28 9:34 ` Michael Albinus
2016-07-28 14:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-29 17:59 ` sbaugh
2016-07-29 18:59 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2016-07-29 19:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-30 6:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-30 14:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-30 15:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-29 20:57 ` sbaugh
2016-07-30 7:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-30 13:30 ` sbaugh
2016-07-30 16:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-30 11:24 ` Michael Albinus
2016-07-29 18:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-29 19:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-26 2:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-24 14:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-25 0:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-25 17:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-26 2:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-07-26 3:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-26 10:45 ` Michael Albinus
2016-07-26 12:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-07-26 14:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2016-07-28 10:01 Spencer Baugh
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2016-07-28 10:08 ` Michael Albinus
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