From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#21391: 24.5; `thing-at-point' should return a string Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 19:13:46 +0200 Message-ID: <834m3ffeb9.fsf@gnu.org> References: <0a68c2ae-0940-4e2c-8b3c-1faceb45c43c@default> <1773ab35-70b1-42f9-8a8b-fe07881487d1@default> <874m3krnb6.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <83a8dbiaps.fsf@gnu.org> <83pom7gjhl.fsf@gnu.org> <0a8d76e4-4d1b-a26d-2b76-a2d9384d9f72@yandex.ru> <83mvhbgitf.fsf@gnu.org> <25bb22e8-1388-275a-d0da-7e698acdf6da@yandex.ru> <83inrygggr.fsf@gnu.org> <83y40sfyij.fsf@gnu.org> <76505436-e66c-0ed3-6d7a-ce654f38ef30@yandex.ru> <83bmxnfhbi.fsf@gnu.org> <73600483-1df5-597c-6066-232189bbdd4a@yandex.ru> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1478800737 15173 195.159.176.226 (10 Nov 2016 17:58:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 17:58:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: tino.calancha@gmail.com, 21391@debbugs.gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 10 18:58:53 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c4tcA-0007Lq-RV for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 18:58:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48184 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c4tcD-0001Ot-Uo for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 12:58:21 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52491) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c4svL-0005Kr-HL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 12:14:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c4svK-0004EV-Dg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 12:14:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:37138) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c4svK-0004EP-A0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 12:14:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c4svK-0001Yp-4h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 12:14:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 17:14:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 21391 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 21391-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B21391.14787980345978 (code B ref 21391); Thu, 10 Nov 2016 17:14:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 21391) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Nov 2016 17:13:54 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52537 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c4svB-0001YM-SB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 12:13:54 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33214) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c4svA-0001YA-B6 for 21391@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 12:13:52 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c4sv2-00048U-6d for 21391@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 12:13:47 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:45741) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1c4sv2-00048P-2F; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 12:13:44 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4847 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1c4sv1-0005vx-BW; Thu, 10 Nov 2016 12:13:43 -0500 In-reply-to: <73600483-1df5-597c-6066-232189bbdd4a@yandex.ru> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Thu, 10 Nov 2016 18:19:00 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:125566 Archived-At: > Cc: tino.calancha@gmail.com, 21391@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Dmitry Gutov > Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2016 18:19:00 +0200 > > > We'd also lose something else: some Lisp objects can be printed, but > > their printed representation cannot be read back. So for some > > objects, requiring thing-at-point to return a string would lose > > information. > > We won't lose that if we go with either of my proposals: instead of > printing objects inside the thing-at-point function, we would require > that each returned thing is a string already. But that's exactly my point: you cannot usefully return some objects as strings. Their text representation is much less useful than the object itself.