From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Which Elisp types are mutable? Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2021 21:48:51 +0300 Message-ID: <834kd8ha0c.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87h7ifa932.fsf@mbork.pl> <0404DE66-DD17-41F2-B6CC-EC06937CD152@gmail.com> <874keca73x.fsf@mbork.pl> <70773EA8-6549-4C03-941C-FADAB1BE441A@gmail.com> <8735tw9l14.fsf@mbork.pl> <4AA1E624-B979-4B08-8AE0-E33A1C9A0E94@gmail.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32692"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 05 20:49:27 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m0Tep-0008KO-3u for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 05 Jul 2021 20:49:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45790 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m0Teo-0001Pv-5k for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 05 Jul 2021 14:49:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51722) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m0TeA-0001Pn-GF for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Jul 2021 14:48:46 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47416) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m0TeA-00014B-7e for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Jul 2021 14:48:46 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2434 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m0Te9-0007IF-OM for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 05 Jul 2021 14:48:46 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4AA1E624-B979-4B08-8AE0-E33A1C9A0E94@gmail.com> (message from Philipp on Mon, 5 Jul 2021 20:41:58 +0200) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:131493 Archived-At: > From: Philipp > Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 20:41:58 +0200 > Cc: Help Gnu Emacs mailing list > > > Well, in my book, "you can't mutate them" is. You always /can/ mutate > > a string, but of you do it in certain circumstances, you're asking for > > trouble. > > You can mutate all objects, because all of them are stored in mutable memory. Not if you put it in read-only memory: you'd get a segfault with any modern OS. > For a reference manual, "you're asking for trouble" isn't a terribly useful statement. And "you must not mutate them" is? At least "you're asking for trouble" explains why not, especially if it actually describes some of the trouble.