From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#49261: 28.0.50; File Locking Breaks Presumptuous Toolchains Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 21:25:37 +0300 Message-ID: <834kcz9you.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87a6n5vuu4.fsf@gnus.org> <8735sqnmei.fsf@gnus.org> <87zguyf4ht.fsf@gmx.de> <87pmvum54p.fsf@gnus.org> <87v95mf2lj.fsf@gmx.de> <87pmvt3ob1.fsf@gnus.org> <87fswpgacv.fsf@gmx.de> <87bl7dfikj.fsf@gmx.de> <8735sofuqj.fsf@gmx.de> <83sg0oc83l.fsf@gnu.org> <87v95jevrm.fsf@gmx.de> <83lf6fdav4.fsf@gnu.org> <87r1g7eoor.fsf@gmx.de> <87im1jphyy.fsf@gnus.org> <87im1fd4fr.fsf@gmx.de> <83sg0jaaud.fsf@gnu.org> <87a6mrd2di.fsf@gmx.de> <838s2ba18y.fsf@gnu.org> <87pmvnsadx.fsf@gnus.org> <837dhva0vi.fsf@gnu.org> <871r83cszh.fsf@gmx.de> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="29253"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, ncaprisunfan@gmail.com, 49261@debbugs.gnu.org To: Michael Albinus Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 12 20:26:14 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m30dB-0007PG-Az for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 20:26:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37086 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m30dA-0006RQ-8k for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 14:26:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34576) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m30d0-0006R3-4x for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 14:26:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:55552) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m30cz-0004sY-TX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 14:26:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m30cz-0006hB-P5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 14:26:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 18:26:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 49261 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 49261-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B49261.162611435525724 (code B ref 49261); Mon, 12 Jul 2021 18:26:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 49261) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2021 18:25:55 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38865 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m30cs-0006gq-QZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 14:25:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36786) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m30cq-0006ge-Vb for 49261@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 14:25:53 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:59784) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m30cl-0004ja-Da; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 14:25:47 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4977 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m30cj-0007eM-JU; Mon, 12 Jul 2021 14:25:46 -0400 In-Reply-To: <871r83cszh.fsf@gmx.de> (message from Michael Albinus on Mon, 12 Jul 2021 20:00:34 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:209836 Archived-At: > From: Michael Albinus > Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , ncaprisunfan@gmail.com, > 49261@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 20:00:34 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > I suggested a compromise: disable it by default, but not via the > > transform function. I think it's more natural, but even if you > > disagree, would it do as a compromise? > > I'm OK with another user option to disable it, it doesn't matter too > much. But I'm not sure whether we shall disable it by default: nobody(*) > will enable it ever, and all the effort would be wasted. Now _I_ am confused: didn't you say that we _should_ disable it by default for remote files, because that was how Emacs worked until now? Or what did I miss?