From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#50959: 28.0.50; Shorthand symbols are unknown to Emacs Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 18:53:07 +0300 Message-ID: <834k9zbezg.fsf@gnu.org> References: <16338bdc2497fc51c6fb6d54ab370bfb@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <831r59kyhf.fsf@gnu.org> <834ka4k15m.fsf@gnu.org> <83y27gijmz.fsf@gnu.org> <8335pmgnjy.fsf@gnu.org> <604da2cb10ac61f2b8b89a02c89056be@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <83a6jtff87.fsf@gnu.org> <5ac7a31cf2959c31c262a3377c736a5a@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <83ilygew7p.fsf@gnu.org> <83fstjdiwl.fsf@gnu.org> <837devdcz0.fsf@gnu.org> <93767e0236e7e85d27186293e38d3d25@webmail.orcon.net.nz> <8335pjd974.fsf@gnu.org> <87v92f3d15.fsf@gmail.com> <83y27bbs4d.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtnr3chk.fsf@gmail.com> <8735pj3amy.fsf@gmail.com> <83r1d3boeh.fsf@gnu.org> <83ilyfbj9h.fsf@gnu.org> <83ee93bhma.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37458"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: psainty@orcon.net.nz, 50959@debbugs.gnu.org To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jo=C3=A3o_?= =?UTF-8?Q?T=C3=A1vora?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 02 17:54:10 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mWhL0-0009aG-Od for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 17:54:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49606 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWhKz-0007Qx-IB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 11:54:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60536) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWhKs-0007Pi-Tj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 11:54:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:48797) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWhKs-0001a1-MK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 11:54:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mWhKs-00073Z-HU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 11:54:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2021 15:54:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 50959 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 50959-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B50959.163319001427088 (code B ref 50959); Sat, 02 Oct 2021 15:54:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 50959) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Oct 2021 15:53:34 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60343 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mWhKQ-00072q-7t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 11:53:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55300) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mWhKN-00072d-Ga for 50959@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 11:53:33 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55558) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWhKI-0008JW-2Q; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 11:53:26 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3132 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mWhKG-0008TO-RC; Sat, 02 Oct 2021 11:53:25 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from =?UTF-8?Q?Jo=C3=A3o_?= =?UTF-8?Q?T=C3=A1vora?= on Sat, 2 Oct 2021 16:22:51 +0100) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:216176 Archived-At: > From: João Távora > Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 16:22:51 +0100 > Cc: Phil Sainty , 50959@debbugs.gnu.org > > > That'd be a grave > > restriction, I think, worse than "depending on the buffer" which you > > don't like: here it depends not only on the buffer, but also on > > position of point in that buffer. > > I don't agree, but ultimately it's your call. Notice (maybe watch the > .gif again), > that what happens when you type C-h o on 's-concat' is that the prompt becomes: > > "Describe symbol (default magnar-string-concat): ... " > > It does _not_ become: > > "Describe symbol (default s-concat): ... " > > Because 's-concat' is _not_ a symbol. I don't see the significance of the difference, from the usability POV. I'd still like to see Help commands support shorthands even if point is not on a shorthand. > What is your opinion on the visually annotating font-lock idea? I think > it's useful even if we decide to go with levels 2 or 3 of the above > integration (which, as I said, I think we shouldn't, not for now) I don't object, and think it could be useful. But I don't think it could supplant the recognition of shorthands in Help commands.