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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com>
Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Motif support
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 10:55:34 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <834k6zwvi1.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AM9PR09MB4977290D4F76825A99791A88967E9@AM9PR09MB4977.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com> (message from Arthur Miller on Thu, 23 Dec 2021 08:58:29 +0100)

> From: Arthur Miller <arthur.miller@live.com>
> Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 08:58:29 +0100
> Cc: Óscar Fuentes <ofv@wanadoo.es>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
> In a way a repl is kind of similar to a game loop in that it reads input (read),
> update the world (eval) and render the world (print). The other similarity is
> that Emacs is also controlling it's loop rather than fitting into some
> frameworks loop such as Gtk, or some other toolkits framework. You rather use
> those as a library of functionality to draw things when they suit Emacs, while
> desktop applications would usually fit into a framework and let toolkit do the
> update and drawing when it needs to be done. GUI toolkits like Gtk are usually
> "don't call us, we call you", while games, and I perecive Emacs, are rather, "do
> this for me when I ask you".

That difference is largely irrelevant in the context of this
particular discussion, since we are specifically talking about drawing
stuff, not about the framework or the main loop.



  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-23  8:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 260+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-22 19:19 Motif support xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 19:35 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 19:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 20:24   ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-23  6:42     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23  7:58       ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23  8:55         ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2021-12-23 11:46           ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 11:52             ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 12:43               ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 12:52                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 17:35                   ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-24  0:38                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-24  1:17                       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24  1:24                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-24  1:37                           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24  7:24                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24  8:06                               ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24  8:24                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-24  8:37                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24  2:20                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-24  2:43                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-24  2:59                             ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-12-24  3:17                               ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24  3:26                                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-24  3:36                                   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24  7:27                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24  4:30                               ` Platform independent graphical display for Emacs Stefan Kangas
2021-12-24  4:44                                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-24  6:28                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-24  6:43                                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-24  5:24                                 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-12-24  7:33                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24  8:10                                   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24  8:41                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24  8:48                                       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-25  0:30                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-25  7:25                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 11:23                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-25 11:38                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 11:57                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-25 12:06                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 12:59                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-25 13:08                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 12:06                                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-25 13:08                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-25 13:36                                                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-25 12:20                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-25 12:29                                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-25 12:49                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-25 12:54                                                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-25 13:03                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-25 13:07                                                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-25 13:09                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-25 13:20                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 14:08                                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-25 14:36                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 13:39                                                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-25 13:44                                                   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-25 12:37                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 13:00                                               ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-25 13:05                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 13:11                                                   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-25 13:17                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-25 13:26                                                 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-25 13:27                                                 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-25 11:51                                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-25 13:24                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-25 13:31                                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-25 14:14                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-25 14:30                                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-26  1:12                                                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-26  1:51                                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-26  1:56                                                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-24  9:55                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-24 10:02                                   ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 10:16                                   ` Stephen Berman
2021-12-24 10:54                                     ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24 11:07                                       ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 11:29                                         ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24 11:31                                           ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 11:39                                             ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24 12:08                                               ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 12:22                                                 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24 12:27                                                   ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 12:57                                                     ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24 13:09                                                       ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 14:27                                                         ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24 16:05                                                         ` martin rudalics
2021-12-25  0:22                                                           ` Po Lu
2021-12-25  9:18                                                             ` martin rudalics
2021-12-25  9:42                                                               ` Po Lu
2021-12-26  8:25                                                             ` martin rudalics
2021-12-26 10:16                                                               ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 11:45                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-24 12:02                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24 13:19                                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-24 13:26                                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 14:00                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-25  0:20                                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-25  0:47                                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-25  0:57                                                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-25  3:24                                           ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2021-12-25  5:03                                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-25  5:12                                               ` Jose Antonio Ortega Ruiz
2021-12-25  5:23                                                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-25  6:57                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25  9:18                                               ` martin rudalics
2021-12-25  5:41                                             ` LdBeth
2021-12-25  5:51                                               ` Po Lu
2021-12-24 13:42                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24 14:19                                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-24 11:50                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 12:45                                     ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-24  7:17                         ` Motif support Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24  0:46                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 15:05   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 15:08     ` Eli Zaretskii
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-12-23 11:37 xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 11:39 ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 11:45   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 11:50     ` Po Lu
2021-12-21 16:15 xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 16:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 17:58   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 18:09     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 18:28       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 18:37         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 19:18           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 19:29             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22  0:51               ` Po Lu
2021-12-21 19:45           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 19:51             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 20:15               ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-21 20:23                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 20:50                   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 17:09                     ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 17:24                       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 17:28                         ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 18:07                         ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 18:20                           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22  0:52                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-22 16:39                   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-22 17:32                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 17:59                       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23  0:58                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 10:48                       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 10:54                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 11:10                           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 11:17                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 12:40                               ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 12:46                                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 16:41                                   ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 18:05                                     ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 18:33                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 18:57                                         ` dick
2021-12-23 19:29                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 19:04                                         ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 19:31                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-24  0:40                                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 22:41                                         ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 17:26       ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 17:40         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 19:14           ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 19:25             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 20:08               ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-22 20:16                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 23:44                   ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23  0:53                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-23  0:53                     ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2021-12-23  6:54                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23  7:43                       ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23  9:05                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 11:21                           ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 11:34                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 12:15                               ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 12:25                                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-23  9:24                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-23  0:47             ` Po Lu
     [not found] <878rwhbb91.fsf.ref@yahoo.com>
2021-12-19  2:04 ` Po Lu
2021-12-19  7:05   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-19  7:14     ` Po Lu
2021-12-19  7:35       ` Po Lu
2021-12-19  7:50       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-19  7:56         ` Bozhidar Batsov
2021-12-19  9:12           ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 10:38             ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-19 10:41               ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 10:52                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-19 10:58                   ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 11:07                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 11:29                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-19 11:39                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 12:05                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-19 12:23                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 13:02                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-19 14:15                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-19 14:27                                 ` dick
2021-12-19 15:10                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-20  2:12                                   ` Aiko Kyle
2021-12-20  3:13                                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-20  4:16                                       ` Akira Kyle
2021-12-20  4:43                                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-20 16:54                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-20 19:01                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-20 19:21                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-20 19:59                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-20 21:07                                           ` Akira Kyle
2021-12-20  4:44                                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-20  4:56                                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-22  4:16                                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-22  4:40                                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-23  3:43                                               ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-23  4:47                                                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 11:25                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-19 11:29                       ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 10:28         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-20 10:05           ` Robert Pluim
2021-12-20 10:15             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
     [not found]               ` <87ee671s9o.fsf@yahoo.com>
2021-12-20 10:38                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-21  1:01                   ` Po Lu
2021-12-21  3:28                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 17:01                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 17:47                         ` Robert Pluim
2021-12-21 17:53                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-21 18:02                             ` Robert Pluim
2021-12-21 18:12                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22  0:53                               ` Po Lu
     [not found]                   ` <875yrj1ro7.fsf@yahoo.com>
2021-12-21  5:19                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
     [not found]             ` <87a6gv1s47.fsf@yahoo.com>
2021-12-20 11:09               ` Robert Pluim
2021-12-20 19:32                 ` Sean Whitton
2021-12-22 15:58             ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 17:13               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 17:56                 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 18:21                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-22 19:46                     ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-22 20:14                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23  7:21               ` Madhu
2021-12-23  7:24                 ` Madhu
2021-12-23  9:32                 ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23  9:38                   ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 11:53                     ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 12:06                       ` Po Lu
2021-12-23 14:36                         ` dick
2021-12-23 14:42                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 15:01                             ` dick
2021-12-23 15:07                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 15:33                                 ` dick
2021-12-23 16:17                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 15:43                                 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-23 14:16                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 17:47                         ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-23 18:24                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-23 22:47                             ` Arthur Miller
2021-12-19  8:48       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-19  9:13         ` Po Lu
2021-12-19 10:14       ` martin rudalics
2021-12-20  0:15         ` Madhu
2021-12-20  1:42           ` Po Lu
2021-12-20  1:42           ` Po Lu

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