From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Is there a way to avoid clobbering minibuffer by messages? Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2023 21:31:24 +0300 Message-ID: <834jq23xc3.fsf@gnu.org> References: <3f004ca9-1f71-2c5b-17f1-e154f209e6d3@gmail.com> <83ilei62o6.fsf@gnu.org> <8d94bd37-d657-cf14-c0cb-372cde983ee0@gmail.com> <837cuy5y2m.fsf@gnu.org> <83fs9m42pc.fsf@gnu.org> <83a5zu3z7a.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="1330"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 30 20:31:36 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1phx3f-00005k-Tf for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 30 Mar 2023 20:31:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1phx3V-0001wy-B5; Thu, 30 Mar 2023 14:31:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1phx3J-0001vg-7f for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Mar 2023 14:31:13 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1phx3I-0007fw-VW for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Mar 2023 14:31:13 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=LKDAO4ncMRlGTttcsKWXlRJfmTN37nV/2GCiF0OhoY8=; b=nlHFmG/mod98 8qpaaG8Vnfjdsu3oedDGDU2h2H25I4/3MuiiTjjXleuDhew+ttsVMoilpFdBgNwR1k3XAvP+PWeST tG71f2rOcc0d5MiiSae1ZMW2qKw6S08C2rMX8tTR5BWY1yUGzaTMIuBG70xoYU0/mMYGvP1pfryTJ /EiIDtxFPTLbMKbCdk/sNzMFLgcTY4gQHM1Xn8+wNDP/iMQVn/+QH0XouohxI5vlqvxyQP8THyzK5 BsTJ4oNPg1l0I95hdWEW8m8fc/vwc5uUWch5ZdtHIm/ZyyogmU9qUT3K0hl9hFxOSy8HCHCbhsb6A e23r+n4F/gMExZKQ7fE74w==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1phx3I-0001jI-EI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Mar 2023 14:31:12 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Gregory Heytings on Thu, 30 Mar 2023 18:16:22 +0000) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:143161 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2023 18:16:22 +0000 > From: Gregory Heytings > cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > > > And I thought Drew wanted echo-area messages to pop in a separate > > buffer. The mode line is not a good place for showing messages, IMNSHO. > > Hmmm... why not? Not enough screen estate, and cannot be enlarged to show more than one screen line. You cannot base a general-purpose feature such as echo-area messages on the assumption that the message will never need more than one screen line. > It's not perhaps the solution that would suit everyone, but I'd bet > some users will prefer that to the way they are currently displayed. > A third option would indeed be a kind of pop-up buffer. And there > are probably other options. Popup buffer and popup frame (perhaps a child frame?) are IMO the only viable alternatives that are worth having in Emacs.