From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New Package for NonGNU-ELPA: clojure-ts-mode Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 20:58:49 +0300 Message-ID: <834jkkjrja.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87il9kksqz.fsf@dfreeman.email> <83350ncbns.fsf@gnu.org> <87cyzrjbd8.fsf@dfreeman.email> <83zg2vav46.fsf@gnu.org> <87o7j99304.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87wmxj27fn.fsf@dfreeman.email> <831qfrptiq.fsf@gnu.org> <57429221-d9be-5791-e975-b3539905e2f6@gutov.dev> <83a5udlj47.fsf@gnu.org> <87a5udk1co.fsf@posteo.net> <835y51kslv.fsf@gnu.org> <7a82c524-1aa1-e755-e377-673ebb107a44@gutov.dev> <83r0nok8s4.fsf@gnu.org> <87il90znco.fsf@yahoo.com> <1977fbef-307b-bcf4-9448-64f26916dd65@gutov.dev> <87edjozlqq.fsf@yahoo.com> <43ddad10-49dd-1c49-ebfe-51689780b315@gutov.dev> <87msyciplu.fsf@posteo.net> <83h6okk3oe.fsf@gnu.org> <87edjoindn.fsf@posteo.net> <83bkesjwuk.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10173"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: philipk@posteo.net, dmitry@gutov.dev, luangruo@yahoo.com, danny@dfreeman.email, stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, manuel.uberti@inventati.org To: "Bozhidar Batsov" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 27 20:00:11 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qaK3V-0002In-D3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 20:00:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qaK2j-0007RW-BH; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 13:59:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qaK2h-0007Pb-P4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 13:59:20 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qaK2g-000898-I3; Sun, 27 Aug 2023 13:59:18 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=2Bt+EJwe379IAh6BmnlkQD11OICMfR7RZUOfUwt9N2o=; b=ls5gIkOkUp+q f8bxuOcu2yqAQwUHtOuPpg/H99t02YnlFk82PtaGrhQ8b6BUZ1zVrKTabyC8yz69DoW09qlfm0DXD +hPhOW4FZUSkdpBi3bMtR+56Sr25IrUyCfKLMrhK042NQZv9gOcgVKjcs990d0Md4TwXyNUy7g852 omU/LJAZanPaWEK08VvLxRyixVLzYxmxXdniFixt71RgDb/bR/FUx4sI0wgQKcfsj6dw7scDYEFNy 0ECbRnxp7DOp4iwuksZz5cP1p+cAjU0g6K6hRGyWiSBTJD+9JHl1/M/jVxYJ91JfZ8q0Kgouk4lgF 0N/FW4jX00XboYKYJucSXw==; In-Reply-To: (bozhidar@batsov.dev) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309360 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2023 20:38:18 +0300 > From: "Bozhidar Batsov" > Cc: dmitry@gutov.dev, luangruo@yahoo.com, danny@dfreeman.email, > "Stefan Kangas" , > "Emacs Devel" , > "Manuel Uberti" > > I believe this conversation has drifted a lot from the original topic (clojure-ts-mode). I have to say I'm a > bit frustrated that every time someone wants to submit something to NonGNU ELPA there's some > push to either submit to GNU ELPA or core instead. I've been maintaining almost all of the Clojure > dev tooling for Emacs for over a decade, so I do believe that by now I know what I'm doing and how I > want to do things. I've said a million times by now that I don't want contributors to have to deal with > copyright agreements and with quirks/oddities in the Emacs development process. I believe that the > maintainers who actually work on something should be allowed to decide how their projects get > developed. With such a hostile attitude, why do you expect us to be friendly? "My way or the highway". And I believe the Emacs maintainers also know what they are doing, after so many years. Please at least allow for that, if you want us to do the same. > All the other Clojure modes are on NonGNU ELPA already (clojure-mode, CIDER, inf-clojure, etc), so > let's avoid philosophical discussions about the merits of X, Y and Z and just get this done, please. I guess "philosophical discussions" ("I've said a million times by now that I don't want contributors to have to deal with copyright agreements and with quirks/oddities in the Emacs development process") are only allowed for you?