From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Brand new clojure support in Emacs ;-) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2023 20:26:58 +0300 Message-ID: <834jkb6ucd.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87il9kksqz.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87a5uw9ivs.fsf@posteo.net> <87ttt42gna.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87wmy080kn.fsf@posteo.net> <83v8djcydl.fsf@gnu.org> <87350ndquw.fsf@dfreeman.email> <83350ncbns.fsf@gnu.org> <87cyzrjbd8.fsf@dfreeman.email> <83zg2vav46.fsf@gnu.org> <87o7j99304.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87zg2hsyrd.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87h6ontwfv.fsf@posteo.net> <835y4ucrz3.fsf@gnu.org> <831qficgin.fsf@gnu.org> <87ttsehwab.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87fs3x6ge7.fsf@gmail.com> <87v8cthmzl.fsf@dfreeman.email> <838r9pby47.fsf@gnu.org> <838r9n6vhf.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33575"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: casouri@gmail.com, danny@dfreeman.email, joaotavora@gmail.com, dmitry@gutov.dev, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lynn Winebarger Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 03 19:28:06 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qcqtJ-0008Tc-SC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2023 19:28:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qcqsl-0008C9-Pl; Sun, 03 Sep 2023 13:27:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qcqsj-0008BS-7Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Sep 2023 13:27:29 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qcqsh-0005Ky-Qe; Sun, 03 Sep 2023 13:27:28 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=VBIhtEqUcwTHeYVyEi6BR96W6/4aaru1byOjli6ZEmA=; b=QjbVCi5AnhoZ6wBgjpIs 1CaTYBz0wtd+Lfd+G9SpFdNADECfmmd1X5bltdL9TlOegD6Mmsr66Ks+ILuyNyhk3V4UauiF9w4mv uyCnsCvriig9OJZ9+uleuLO5GyKM0/YjlTM1RSfqii4NK2wVgQrXvgrKgkhak1vA2rveEf0EJbTrC knmXmKWDVUZdAOJuzL31M2PPwXplVUc3B37INpNUA+USlwqlIXiL1dB5BthCEUztI432ZmwDaIyxQ F2sdXNcGCGM+c45FpokfxeUiUfj9JO1Z0lB8ZZxBWJRFHtNQaUj9CQhCXEm3Xh7rvYDjxeFrf+EL9 r/PMvREgo11qzA==; In-Reply-To: (message from Lynn Winebarger on Sun, 3 Sep 2023 13:16:40 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:310014 Archived-At: > From: Lynn Winebarger > Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2023 13:16:40 -0400 > Cc: casouri@gmail.com, danny@dfreeman.email, joaotavora@gmail.com, > dmitry@gutov.dev, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > On Sun, Sep 3, 2023 at 1:02 PM Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > From: Lynn Winebarger > > > Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2023 12:53:11 -0400 > > > > > > > No one who speaks for the project suggested anything like that. It's > > > > a non-issue. > > > > > > > So, does RMS not speak for the project? > > > > Sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't. Like all of us: sometimes we > > just express a non-obligatory opinions, sometimes we describe a > > decision made for the project as a whole. There's no one answer; you > > need to read the fine print. > > > > > Am I misreading his message: > > > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2023-08/msg01063.html ? > > > > If you think he was saying we will necessarily call our mode > > clojure-mode, then yes, I believe you are misreading it. From where I > > stand, Richard was describing a way to avoid a name conflict. > > I was rebutting the phrase "suggested anything like that" above. Why would you? What good would it make? Please let Stefan and myself decide the policy in these matters here. It's what we are here for. If we happen to disagree with Richard, we will work with him to solve the disagreement. > But it seemed to me RMS was suggesting a broader principle of not > allowing external projects to dictate decisions in GNU projects, so > I'm not really clear that he wasn't speaking for GNU Emacs as part of > that. I happen to agree with Richard on the broader principle, but that doesn't mean the principle gets automatically applied in any particular case.