From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: please make line-move-visual nil Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 05:57:06 +0300 Message-ID: <833aatuby5.fsf@gnu.org> References: <23521879.post@talk.nabble.com> <7b501d5c0905131659r1d79ec56s5a59f76e4713edf9@mail.gmail.com> <23532135.post@talk.nabble.com> <87tz3odq3l.fsf@iki.fi> <23538683.post@talk.nabble.com> <87eiuru24b.fsf@iki.fi> <39370.130.55.118.19.1242397867.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <48914.130.55.118.19.1242592120.squirrel@webmail.lanl.gov> <66C6BA04EBCF4B6DAED69E851627D852@us.oracle.com> <87eiue83i7.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243220244 20591 80.91.229.12 (25 May 2009 02:57:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 02:57:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 25 04:57:17 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M8QNG-0005YN-W2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 04:57:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58706 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8QNG-0004Ue-6N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:57:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8QNB-0004UZ-6g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:57:09 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M8QN9-0004UN-Op for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:57:08 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=36894 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M8QN9-0004UK-K4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:57:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout2.012.net.il ([84.95.2.4]:40150) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M8QN9-0001Nk-2S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 24 May 2009 22:57:07 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.i_mtaout2.012.net.il by i_mtaout2.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) id <0KK600100IN90E00@i_mtaout2.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 May 2009 05:57:05 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.228.115.215]) by i_mtaout2.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) with ESMTPA id <0KK600G69IV51KE0@i_mtaout2.012.net.il>; Mon, 25 May 2009 05:57:05 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87eiue83i7.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 9.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111062 Archived-At: > From: Chong Yidong > Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:50:24 -0400 > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > The pros and cons of display line motion have been debated extensively, > and I see no new points on either side of the debate. Well, just to add a data point: I'm a heavy Emacs user for the last 15 years, and I find this new behavior very useful in many situations. It took a bit to get accustomed to, but I find it so convenient I never even tried to customize it back to what it was before. > But since several people dislike the new behavior, I think it would > be good to add an Options menu entry to disable it easily. I think it's too late to add menu items at this time. It should be good enough to make its NEWS entry prominent and near the beginning, as much as possible under the usual structure of NEWS (first supported/deprecated targets, then build news, then the rest).