From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Documentation of transient-mark-mode is sloppy, wrong, and confused. Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:48:39 +0300 Message-ID: <833aao5jew.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20090528122927.GA2175@muc.de> <87fxepf9s8.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <20090528201529.GA4605@muc.de> <87bppdx8c0.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <20090528230359.GA1474@muc.de> <83y6sgqp6l.fsf@gnu.org> <20090529093533.GC2793@muc.de> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243590768 16831 80.91.229.12 (29 May 2009 09:52:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:52:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 29 11:52:44 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M9ylX-0003ee-Hv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 11:52:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58540 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M9ylW-0007aN-Ux for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 05:52:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M9yhg-0004gc-0g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 05:48:44 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M9yhe-0004f3-PK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 05:48:43 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=53907 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M9yhe-0004eW-Dp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 05:48:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout3.012.net.il ([84.95.2.7]:9986) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M9yhd-0001Z5-MK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 05:48:42 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.i_mtaout3.012.net.il by i_mtaout3.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) id <0KKE00D00GEP0B00@i_mtaout3.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:48:39 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.228.115.215]) by i_mtaout3.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) with ESMTPA id <0KKE00BOXGL2OR80@i_mtaout3.012.net.il>; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:48:39 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <20090529093533.GC2793@muc.de> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 9.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111189 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:35:33 +0000 > Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Alan Mackenzie > > > > Manuals shouldn't be patronising. When a manual implicitly says "if > > > you can't even figure out what I mean by \"active\", you're stupid", > > > that's patronising. > > > Did the manual actually say that? where? > > No, it didn't _actually_ say that, it _implicitly_ said it; or, more > precisely, that's the message I would hear if I were an Emacs user trying > to make sense of that page of the manual. What text, exactly, could send such a message?