From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: bidi-display-reordering is now non-nil by default Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 06:04:22 +0300 Message-ID: <8339haynk9.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87bowa7dza.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <877h6y7chn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <831ux6cv5o.fsf@gnu.org> <87d3gpku3o.fsf@gnus.org> <834o1ypa2b.fsf@gnu.org> <87aabnn3mz.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83mxfnwwyd.fsf@gnu.org> <87ipqbzogt.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83liv7wqhe.fsf@gnu.org> <87liv75xsh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83k4arvx05.fsf@gnu.org> <87bow116je.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83wrepyq3r.fsf@gnu.org> <87sjpar2l2.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83aabizh94.fsf@gnu.org> <87vcu6b4rp.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1312945480 12707 80.91.229.12 (10 Aug 2011 03:04:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 03:04:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: larsi@gnus.org, list-general@mohsen.1.banan.byname.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 10 05:04:35 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qqz5t-0008E5-U3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 05:04:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53420 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qqz5t-00027b-Bv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 23:04:33 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:44398) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qqz5n-00027L-Rx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 23:04:31 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qqz5j-0000lu-Gq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 23:04:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:53797) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qqz5j-0000lk-8i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 23:04:23 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LPO00000YX2Y700@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 06:04:21 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.228.94.185]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LPO00KK1Z78S6G2@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 06:04:21 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87vcu6b4rp.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:143088 Archived-At: > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham > version=3.3.1 > From: Chong Yidong > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, list-general@mohsen.1.banan.byname.net, > emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 18:26:34 -0400 > > > When you type "C-x C-s", Emacs clearly shows the characters that > > cannot be encoded as Latin-1. > > As you said yourself, users should not need to know about the details of > how bidi works. So we can't assume that they know what left-to-right > marks are, so they can't know whether the characters that Emacs is > complaining about are important to keep. I sometimes get prompted to choose a different encoding when I send email responses to mail that looked pure ASCII. I'm presented with a buffer that points to a character that doesn't look "foreign" at all. If I care to investigate, it turns out that character was an em-dash or fancy quotes, that just looked "normal" due to the font. Am I confused? No. I just select the encoding, usually the one suggested by Emacs as the default, and that's it. IOW, I see no issue here. But since people make a lot of fuss out of it, feel free to invent all kinds of weird functions to save them from themselves.