From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Info: Console Vs GUI difference? Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2013 09:04:50 +0200 Message-ID: <8338nfb7xp.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83eh70as37.fsf@gnu.org> <837gcrc10q.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1383375917 3191 80.91.229.3 (2 Nov 2013 07:05:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 07:05:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "T.V. Raman" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 02 08:05:20 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VcVGq-0000QS-AR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 08:05:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40892 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VcVGp-0001R0-NJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 03:05:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35494) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VcVGg-0001Qu-AU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 03:05:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VcVGZ-0000Bm-0f for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 03:05:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:39543) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VcVGY-00008T-OF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 03:05:02 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MVM00100JGCIM00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 09:05:01 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MVM001HBJODBO40@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 09:05:01 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.172 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:164849 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 17:17:41 -0700 > From: "T.V. Raman" > > I understand better now. But I cannot but advice it because > there are many parts of emacs -- and emacs packages -- that > already use signal to display useful information to the user. I didn't say you shouldn't advise it. I just said that there's no bug in Emacs in this case: it works as intended. > Yes, that is clearly incorrect, but that is what packages are > doing, so I have no option but to speak them. I'd be happy to > hear about an alternative -- note that I suspect > command-error-function might run into the same issue -- perhaps > differently. The short-term alternative is to avoid speaking this particular signal, by somehow detecting it. The long-term alternative is to gradually abandon the advice methods and switch to using special hooks that Emacs will provide for this type of software. Please consider presenting a list of hooks you'd like to have for Emacsspeak, and file a feature request bug report with that list. Emacs ought to have good support for Emacsspeak that does not require use of advice, IMO.