From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16292: 24.3.50; info docs now contain single straight quotes instead of `' Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 18:19:16 +0200 Message-ID: <8338l2v1tn.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20131229220810.GF7972@boo.workgroup> <52C25D07.80808@cs.ucla.edu> <8338l91l2t.fsf@gnu.org> <52C4C95C.2010905@cs.ucla.edu> <837gajyrq1.fsf@gnu.org> <52C4F008.5060003@cs.ucla.edu> <83zjnextyg.fsf@gnu.org> <52C5BDD1.2050009@cs.ucla.edu> <83ppoaxfu6.fsf@gnu.org> <52C607DA.3090009@cs.ucla.edu> <83fvp5xzk0.fsf@gnu.org> <52C6F2C5.10505@cs.ucla.edu> <83mwjcx1i9.fsf@gnu.org> <52C750C4.6040006@cs.ucla.edu> <8338l4w5pj.fsf@gnu.org> <83ha9jv5lh.fsf@gnu.org> <838uuvum9n.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1388938811 21254 80.91.229.3 (5 Jan 2014 16:20:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 16:20:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, grfz@gmx.de, 16292@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 05 17:20:15 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VzqQx-0001kT-3g for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 17:20:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58431 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzqQw-0007zJ-Lv for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 11:20:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42541) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzqQp-0007wD-CU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 11:20:11 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzqQl-0002de-30 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 11:20:07 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:50582) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzqQk-0002c1-W9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 11:20:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VzqQk-0000tS-Fi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 11:20:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 16:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16292 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 16292-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16292.13889387853405 (code B ref 16292); Sun, 05 Jan 2014 16:20:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 16292) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2014 16:19:45 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36368 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VzqQS-0000sr-KH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 11:19:44 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:47042) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VzqQO-0000se-Gv for 16292@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 11:19:41 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MYX00700RSV5M00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 16292@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 18:19:38 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MYX006ZGS0IPBB0@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 18:19:31 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:83001 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, 16292@debbugs.gnu.org, grfz@gmx.de > Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 23:55:51 -0500 > > >> > I won't recommend that: the effect is only visible with Texinfo 5, > >> > which is still new. Complaints might come too late for us to be able > >> > to fix them (after the release). > >> I think we should take the risk. > > Why? what damage you envision from fixing a couple of manuals that are > > affected by this? > > The text you elided explains the benefit I hope to get from not changing I elided it because it started with "also", which I interpreted to mean that the part I quoted stood on its own. So I asked for the reasons to that part, and that part only. If now you are saying that the reason is this: > It will give us a good idea of whether avoiding Unicode quotes is > worth the trouble of --disable-encoding (or of a sed script to > convert them back to ASCII) then I confess that it's a strange reason: why avoid solving a clear problem just to know whether it is worth solving, when the solution is at hand and quite simple. > (you call it "fixing" but I disagree with this designation) Let me try to convince you. Try this: $ LC_CTYPE=sv_SE.ISO8859-1 ./src/emacs -Q C-u C-h i info/htmlfontify.info RET g Interactive RET Then look around the middle of the first screen, in a paragraph that begins with "You should", and tell me whether you still think this need not be fixed. Also, note the encoding displayed by Emacs on the mode line (it should be UTF-8). Similar problems exist in org.info, mh-e.info, ses.info, and dbus.info. (You may need to generate the manuals with makeinfo 4.13 to see these problems.)