From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#17841: 24.3; Info description of Emacs startup could better describe package initialization Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 18:31:07 +0300 Message-ID: <8338eus4sk.fsf@gnu.org> References: <21416.59077.521255.155563@171-134-121-173.kscymo.spcsdns.net> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1403623964 4236 80.91.229.3 (24 Jun 2014 15:32:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 15:32:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 17841@debbugs.gnu.org To: Alan.Wehmann@gmail.com Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 24 17:32:37 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WzShz-0002da-Oa for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 17:32:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60307 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WzShz-0002yO-B6 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 11:32:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39637) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WzShf-0002YA-Rh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 11:32:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WzShX-0006mD-EE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 11:32:11 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:40057) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WzShX-0006m2-Br for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 11:32:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WzShW-0003iG-IY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 11:32:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 15:32:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 17841 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 17841-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B17841.140362388014205 (code B ref 17841); Tue, 24 Jun 2014 15:32:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 17841) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jun 2014 15:31:20 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59440 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WzSgp-0003h2-FK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 11:31:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:39945) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WzSgm-0003gl-4Y for 17841@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 11:31:17 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N7O00A00J22F400@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 17841@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 18:31:09 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N7O00AHDJ3WAB30@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 18:31:09 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <21416.59077.521255.155563@171-134-121-173.kscymo.spcsdns.net> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:90736 Archived-At: > From: alan.wehmann@gmail.com > Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 21:47:33 -0500 > > Info node "(emacs) Initial Options" says: > > " Some initial options affect the loading of the initialization file. > Normally, Emacs first loads `site-start.el' if it exists, then your own > initialization file if it exists, and finally the default > initialization file `default.el' if it exists (*note Init File::)." > > It fails to mention package initialization in this paragraph & I think > that it should. It is one of the first places where I looked to find > out when in the startup sequence packages are initialized. I found > other locations which described when packages are initializaed, but was > confused for a while after reading this paragraph and no mention was > made of package initialization. In the Emacs manual, I typed "i package TAB TAB" and was presented with a list that included "package-install" and "package-initialize". They both land me in the "Package Installation" section which seems to describe what you wanted.