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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: larsi@gnus.org, schwab@linux-m68k.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Bidirectional text and URLs
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 19:11:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <833892aq3m.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1XulRR-0005l7-EL@fencepost.gnu.org>

> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 12:04:17 -0500
> From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
> Cc: larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
>   > The RTL flag character in the example isn't part of the URL, it only
>   > precedes it.
> 
> (I couldn't see it in any case.)

It's displayed as a very thin space.

> This suggests we need to provide a primitive to tell Lisp programs a
> guaranteed answer for which direction the text at a certain point is
> displayed in.

The directionality of the text is determined by the display engine,
and by design is not subject to control by Lisp programs, with 2
notable exceptions (none of which are relevant to the issue at hand):

 . Lisp programs can disable bidi reordering in a buffer

 . Lisp programs can define the base paragraph direction

> Also, a primitive to verify that a certain region of text has no
> bidi strangeness within it.

We need to have a good instrumental definition of "bidi strangeness"
for that.  The simple job of determining whether the region of text
includes RTL characters or bidi formatting controls is already
possible by using suitable regular expressions, of course.

> On issues like this, better safe than sorry.  The user who wants to
> override the safety measure can easily do that.  For instance,
> inserting line breaks around the URL would make it be considered safe,
> right?

No.  In fact, it won't change at all the (jumbled) display of the
example presented by Lars.



  reply	other threads:[~2014-11-29 17:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 133+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-11-28  2:51 Bidirectional text and URLs Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-28  3:27 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-11-28 14:54   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-29  6:09     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-11-29  8:22       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-29 17:05         ` Richard Stallman
2014-11-29 17:13           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-29 17:49             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-29 17:54               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-29 18:24                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-29 18:29                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-30  9:38                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-11-30 15:21                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-29 18:18               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-29 18:33                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-29 18:47                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-29 19:12                     ` Andreas Schwab
2014-11-29 19:31                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-29 19:39                         ` Andreas Schwab
2014-11-29 20:13                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-30 16:26                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-30 17:29                   ` Yuri Khan
2014-11-30 17:57                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-30 18:18                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-30 17:53                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-30 18:13                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-30 19:06                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-30 19:10                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-30 20:41                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-30 19:19                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-30 21:05                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-30 21:36                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-01  3:45                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-01 16:19                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-01 17:39                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-01 17:49                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-01 18:22                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-01 18:28                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-02 14:17                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-02 16:31                                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-12-01 19:15                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-01 19:15                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-01 19:34                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-01 20:21                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-01 20:30                               ` David Kastrup
2014-12-01 20:45                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-02 14:45                                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-02 14:45                               ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-02 15:03                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-03  8:39                                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-03 17:39                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-04  9:41                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 11:16                                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-05 11:28                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 22:43                                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-05 23:15                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 12:06                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-06 12:59                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 22:43                                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-05 23:17                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-06 12:06                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-02 14:44                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-02 15:00                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-03  8:39                                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-11-30  9:38               ` Richard Stallman
2014-11-30 15:27                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-01 10:17                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-01 16:17                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-02 14:42                       ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-02 14:48                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-03  8:38                           ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-03 11:56                             ` Nicolas Richard
2014-12-03 17:12                               ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-03 17:38                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-04 14:30                               ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-04 15:53                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-04 17:30                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-04 20:25                                   ` Paul Eggert
2014-12-02 14:42                       ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-02 14:52                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-02 18:05                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-03 17:13                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-03 18:14                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-05 22:44                                 ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-05 23:19                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-07  9:20                                     ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-07 15:50                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-08  0:26                                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-08 15:46                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-03 17:13                           ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-03 17:13                           ` Richard Stallman
2014-11-29 17:14         ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-30 13:42         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-11-30 15:36           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-01 10:18           ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-01 16:18             ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-01 18:32               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-01 19:12                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-01 20:08                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-01 20:42                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-02 14:42               ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-02 14:54                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-03  8:39                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-11-28 11:19 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-28 13:58   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-11-28 19:49     ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-28 21:02       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-29  0:26         ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-11-28 22:26       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-28 14:24   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-11-28 14:57   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-29  6:17   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-11-28 14:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-28 17:09 ` Richard Stallman
2014-11-28 18:28   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-29 17:03     ` Richard Stallman
2014-11-29 17:06       ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-30  9:37         ` Richard Stallman
2014-11-30 15:16           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-01 10:18             ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-01 16:02               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-28 19:28   ` Andreas Schwab
2014-11-29 17:04     ` Richard Stallman
2014-11-29 17:11       ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2014-11-30  9:38         ` Richard Stallman
2014-11-30 15:20           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-11-30 23:39             ` chad
2014-12-01  3:49               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-01  8:01                 ` chad
2014-12-01 15:58                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-12-02 14:41                     ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-01 19:17                   ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-01 10:18             ` Richard Stallman

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