From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bidirectional text and URLs Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 01:15:05 +0200 Message-ID: <83388t3czq.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87a93cngwv.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <837fyfml31.fsf@gnu.org> <874mtio7wh.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83r3wml8kq.fsf@gnu.org> <83zjb9an0q.fsf@gnu.org> <831toka82r.fsf@gnu.org> <83oaro8km7.fsf@gnu.org> <83k32b6u5l.fsf@gnu.org> <83h9xf6rzs.fsf@gnu.org> <83wq6a5c1q.fsf@gnu.org> <83lhmo63a9.fsf@gnu.org> <83vblr4uqi.fsf@gnu.org> <83zjb22v4n.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417821317 16310 80.91.229.3 (5 Dec 2014 23:15:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 23:15:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 06 00:15:09 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx25b-0006uu-QG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 00:15:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52849 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx25b-0003sc-BE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 18:15:07 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47328) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx25T-0003r7-AS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 18:15:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx25I-0006Ny-Tb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 18:14:59 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:52792) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx25I-0006Ni-LZ; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 18:14:48 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NG400D00TWB1W00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 01:14:47 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NG400C5OTWNZ620@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 01:14:47 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.172 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179066 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 17:43:42 -0500 > From: Richard Stallman > CC: larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > > Do we need any new features to make it possible to show > > > how the strange bidi text would really be interpreted? > > > Not sure I understand what you mean here, but if I do, then this is up > > to applications, because only they know the meaning of a particular > > piece of displayed text and its interpretation. > > In principle they might vary, but in practice I think most of them > will use the characters in the order they appear in the buffer. That's true, but that still doesn't say how should each application show that to the user. > So we need a way to show what a certain piece of text would look like > with all bidi effects suppressed. One that would force them to > display in strict LTR order. We were through this: it won't help, unless the logical-order text consists only of LTR characters. And for that, we already have a solution that detects the fraud.