From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19404: 25.0.50; Gnus shows self-signed certificate warning when connecting to Gmane Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 16:40:06 +0200 Message-ID: <83388bu2ih.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86ppbhrx9a.fsf@yandex.ru> <838ui5uf27.fsf@gnu.org> <83vbl8uau2.fsf@gnu.org> <871tnwoglm.fsf@engster.org> <83ioh8u1cs.fsf@gnu.org> <87lhm4myaf.fsf@engster.org> <83d27gt52m.fsf@gnu.org> <87h9wrj0u5.fsf@building.gnus.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419000086 14222 80.91.229.3 (19 Dec 2014 14:41:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 14:41:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 19404@debbugs.gnu.org, deng@randomsample.de, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 19 15:41:18 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1yk2-0007HM-AT for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 15:41:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58991 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1yk1-00043c-C8 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 09:41:17 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47425) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1yjs-0003uQ-1d for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 09:41:13 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1yjn-0001MV-0g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 09:41:07 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:41613) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1yjm-0001MN-Ud for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 09:41:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1yjm-0002tS-FQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 09:41:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 14:41:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19404 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 19404-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19404.141900002411067 (code B ref 19404); Fri, 19 Dec 2014 14:41:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19404) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Dec 2014 14:40:24 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50979 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1yj5-0002sL-Sb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 09:40:23 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:51230) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1yiw-0002ry-V5 for 19404@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 09:40:15 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NGU00B002VTN400@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 19404@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 16:40:09 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NGU00B4G3EWCU70@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Fri, 19 Dec 2014 16:40:08 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87h9wrj0u5.fsf@building.gnus.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:97569 Archived-At: > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: David Engster , 19404@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru > Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 13:11:46 +0100 > MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1419595943.94089@Frj7Sl8lupuHOmrgKZTQZA > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> It simply means: "The certificate’s issuer is not known. This is the > >> case if the issuer is not included in the trusted certificate list." > > > > I suggest that we say something like this, indeed. > > However, this means nothing to people who don't know what it already > means The first sentence sounds very clear to me, even to someone who knows nothing about this. We could reword the second sentence to say something like Please make sure your trusted certificate database is installed and up to date. This should at least give enough "food" to talk to some sysadmin, if the user doesn't know where the certificates are kept or how to update them. > while "self-signed" is something that more people understand. But it's a lie in this case, or at least might be. > But the suggestion to only suggest that the certificate may be > self-signed if the issuer and host name are the same may help a bit. > There's quite a few self-signed sites out there where that's not the > case, though. Then how come they are "self-signed"? At least the domain should be the same, no?