From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Omitting Windows-specific parts from infrastructure changes Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 18:32:48 +0200 Message-ID: <833875xvin.fsf@gnu.org> References: <838uh32gpg.fsf@gnu.org> <54B9D960.1000001@cs.ucla.edu> <834mrp24b1.fsf@gnu.org> <54BBF6E7.3090802@cs.ucla.edu> <83a91gymld.fsf@gnu.org> <54BC08B2.8070302@cs.ucla.edu> <837fwjzx5f.fsf@gnu.org> <54BC18B9.50202@cs.ucla.edu> <83y4oyycz8.fsf@gnu.org> <54BD4657.3010202@cs.ucla.edu> <83egqqy637.fsf@gnu.org> <54BD81C4.1070109@cs.ucla.edu> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1421771587 26879 80.91.229.3 (20 Jan 2015 16:33:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 16:33:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 20 17:33:07 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YDbjl-0006o3-W5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2015 17:33:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44456 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YDbjl-0003At-3f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2015 11:33:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54388) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YDbje-00039t-VA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2015 11:32:59 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YDbjb-0005hX-J0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2015 11:32:58 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:47686) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YDbjb-0005hS-BL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2015 11:32:55 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NIH00B00HU64X00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2015 18:32:54 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NIH00ANNHYUNBB0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Tue, 20 Jan 2015 18:32:54 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <54BD81C4.1070109@cs.ucla.edu> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:181475 Archived-At: > Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 14:14:28 -0800 > From: Paul Eggert > CC: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > It is working because I cleaned it up. It didn't work before that > > No, the code already worked for the patches we're talking about, e.g., replacing strcat with stpcpy. And it still works, in the places where the MS-Windows code still uses strcat instead of stpcpy. Beg your pardon, but how do you know this? Since you said you don't look into the Windows modules and don't understand their code, you cannot possibly know whether it works/worked or not. > The costs are minuscule: just a short notice posted here. > > The costs would be more than that, as I'd need to examine code that I don't look at now You already said you didn't want to do that, and I already said you don't have to. So this is not required. > and I'd have to save notes about the examination somewhere, and keep track of these notes during the time period between searching and installing the fix, which is often weeks. Not required: just post those notes once when you first do the examination, and don't bother updating them, if that's a burden. > This would add nontrivial bureaucracy to the maintenance of mainline code, with only a trivial benefit to non-mainline maintenance. I assure you, the benefit is not trivial for me. If it were, I wouldn't have bothered starting all this uneasy discussion. > It's not worth it. It is worth it for me. Please help me maintain the parts of Emacs in which you have no interest. Keeping those parts in good shape is a prerequisite for my participation in the project, so it is of utmost importance to me, if not to you. (I think it's also of importance to the project as a whole, but we seem to have quite different views of the project's good, so you'll probably disagree. However, I hope others will agree with me.) TIA