emacs update on archlinux

emacs update on archlinux

[Jude DaShiell]

For now I'm using micrognuemacs also available on archlinux as a fallback.
The abbreviated typescript file will explain.  yaourt is a package locator 
and manager which can do updates.

Script started on Tue 21 Apr 2015 06:22:04 PM EDT
The Moon is Waxing Crescent (13% of Full)
Time: 06:22:04 PM
  Date: Tuesday April 21 2015
  Week: 16
  Day Of Year: 111
[jude@athame ~]$ yaourt -Ss emacs
^[[1;32mextra/^[[0m^[[1memacs^[[0m ^[[1;32m24.5-1^[[0m ^[[1;33;7m[installed]^[[0m
^[[0m    The extensible, customizable, self-documenting real-time display editor
^[[0m^[[0m[jude@athame ~]$ emacs --version
emacs: error while loading shared libraries: libgnutls.so.28: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[jude@athame ~]$ yaourt -Ss lig\b^[[Kbgnutls28
^[[0m[jude@athame ~]$ yaourt -Ss libgnutls
^[[1;35maur/^[[0m^[[1mlibgnutls13^[[0m ^[[1;31m(null)^[[0m ^[[1;33;7m(79)^[[0m
^[[0m    Ancient libgnutls.so.13 library
^[[0m^[[1;35maur/^[[0m^[[1mlibgnutls26^[[0m ^[[1;32m(null)^[[0m ^[[1;33;7m(16)^[[0m
^[[0m    gnutls26 library (shared objects)
^[[0m^[[0m[jude@athame ~]$ exit
exit

Script done on Tue 21 Apr 2015 06:23:59 PM EDT

Where can I get gnutls28 and what will I need to do with the archive to 
extract it and build it?
I have the necessary building utilities already installed.

-- Twitter: JudeDaShiell

Re: emacs update on archlinux

[tomas]

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On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 06:34:56PM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> For now I'm using micrognuemacs also available on archlinux as a fallback.
> The abbreviated typescript file will explain.  yaourt is a package
> locator and manager which can do updates.
> 
> Script started on Tue 21 Apr 2015 06:22:04 PM EDT
> The Moon is Waxing Crescent (13% of Full)
> Time: 06:22:04 PM
>  Date: Tuesday April 21 2015
>  Week: 16
>  Day Of Year: 111

[...]

> Where can I get gnutls28 and what will I need to do with the archive
> to extract it and build it?
> I have the necessary building utilities already installed.

Not really an Emacs issue but more an Arch packaging issue. I'm not an Arch
expert, but it seems, judging by [1] that your Arch installation is seriously
outdated wrt the Emacs version you are trying to install. The "current" version
of GnuTLS in Arch seems to be 3.0

I'd recommend asking in an Arch user forum (unless someone knowledgeable
chimes in here).


[1] https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?q=gnutls

Regards
- -- tomás
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Re: emacs update on archlinux

[Eric Abrahamsen]

<tomas@tuxteam.de> writes:

> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 06:34:56PM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>> For now I'm using micrognuemacs also available on archlinux as a fallback.
>> The abbreviated typescript file will explain.  yaourt is a package
>> locator and manager which can do updates.
>>
>> Script started on Tue 21 Apr 2015 06:22:04 PM EDT
>> The Moon is Waxing Crescent (13% of Full)
>> Time: 06:22:04 PM
>>  Date: Tuesday April 21 2015
>>  Week: 16
>>  Day Of Year: 111
>
> [...]
>
>> Where can I get gnutls28 and what will I need to do with the archive
>> to extract it and build it?
>> I have the necessary building utilities already installed.
>
> Not really an Emacs issue but more an Arch packaging issue. I'm not an Arch
> expert, but it seems, judging by [1] that your Arch installation is seriously
> outdated wrt the Emacs version you are trying to install. The "current" version
> of GnuTLS in Arch seems to be 3.0
>
> I'd recommend asking in an Arch user forum (unless someone knowledgeable
> chimes in here).

I'm not "knowledgeable" but I had the same problem yesterday -- and I'm
using Git emacs. I pulled and bootstrapped a couple of hours ago, and
the new build no longer gives me the error.

Eric

Re: emacs update on archlinux

[Rasmus]

Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:

>> Not really an Emacs issue but more an Arch packaging issue. I'm not an Arch
>> expert, but it seems, judging by [1] that your Arch installation is seriously
>> outdated wrt the Emacs version you are trying to install. The
>> "current" version
>> of GnuTLS in Arch seems to be 3.0
>>
>> I'd recommend asking in an Arch user forum (unless someone knowledgeable
>> chimes in here).
>
> I'm not "knowledgeable" but I had the same problem yesterday -- and I'm
> using Git emacs. I pulled and bootstrapped a couple of hours ago, and
> the new build no longer gives me the error.

Damn, I'm still unable to build emacs-git...

    Loading /tmp/makepkg/emacs-git/src/emacs-git/lisp/tooltip.el (source)...
    Finding pointers to doc strings...
    Finding pointers to doc strings...done
    Dumping under the name emacs
    Makefile:830: recipe for target 'bootstrap-emacs' failed
    make[1]: *** [bootstrap-emacs] Segmentation fault (core dumped)
    make[1]: Leaving directory '/tmp/makepkg/emacs-git/src/emacs-git/src'
    Makefile:398: recipe for target 'src' failed
    make: *** [src] Error 2

—Rasmus

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Re: emacs update on archlinux

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 08:20:58 +0200
> From: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> 
> > Where can I get gnutls28 and what will I need to do with the archive
> > to extract it and build it?
> > I have the necessary building utilities already installed.
> 
> Not really an Emacs issue but more an Arch packaging issue. I'm not an Arch
> expert, but it seems, judging by [1] that your Arch installation is seriously
> outdated wrt the Emacs version you are trying to install. The "current" version
> of GnuTLS in Arch seems to be 3.0

libgnutls.so.28 _is_ from GnuTLS 3.0.x series.  (Yes, it's confusing.)

Re: emacs update on archlinux

[tomas]

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On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:30:10AM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:

[...]

> libgnutls.so.28 _is_ from GnuTLS 3.0.x series.  (Yes, it's confusing.)

Thanks for the correction. For the original poster, that would mean
either somehow upgrading the Arch distro to the newer GnuTLS package
or compiling Emacs from sources might help.

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Re: emacs update on archlinux

[Jude DaShiell]

I tried installing gnutls on my archlinux box and was told gnutls-3.40 not 
3.30 was already installed and gnuemacs on archlinux was complaining about 
not being to find gnutls3.28.  Was an upper boundary set on gnutls version 
number for that particular version of emacs?

-- 
Twitter: JudeDaShiell


On Wed, 22 Apr 2015, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

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> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 06:34:56PM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>> For now I'm using micrognuemacs also available on archlinux as a fallback.
>> The abbreviated typescript file will explain.  yaourt is a package
>> locator and manager which can do updates.
>>
>> Script started on Tue 21 Apr 2015 06:22:04 PM EDT
>> The Moon is Waxing Crescent (13% of Full)
>> Time: 06:22:04 PM
>>  Date: Tuesday April 21 2015
>>  Week: 16
>>  Day Of Year: 111
>
> [...]
>
>> Where can I get gnutls28 and what will I need to do with the archive
>> to extract it and build it?
>> I have the necessary building utilities already installed.
>
> Not really an Emacs issue but more an Arch packaging issue. I'm not an Arch
> expert, but it seems, judging by [1] that your Arch installation is seriously
> outdated wrt the Emacs version you are trying to install. The "current" version
> of GnuTLS in Arch seems to be 3.0
>
> I'd recommend asking in an Arch user forum (unless someone knowledgeable
> chimes in here).
>
>
> [1] https://www.archlinux.org/packages/?q=gnutls
>
> Regards
> - -- tom?s
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Re: emacs update on archlinux

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 07:04:41 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com>
> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> 
> I tried installing gnutls on my archlinux box and was told gnutls-3.40 not 
> 3.30 was already installed and gnuemacs on archlinux was complaining about 
> not being to find gnutls3.28.  Was an upper boundary set on gnutls version 
> number for that particular version of emacs?

AFAIR, GnuTLS 3.4 changed the ABI, so you need to install an older
version, if the version of Emacs you installed needs that.

Re: emacs update on archlinux

[Tom Willemse]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 07:04:41 -0400 (EDT)
>> From: Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com>
>> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
>> 
>> I tried installing gnutls on my archlinux box and was told gnutls-3.40 not 
>> 3.30 was already installed and gnuemacs on archlinux was complaining about 
>> not being to find gnutls3.28.  Was an upper boundary set on gnutls version 
>> number for that particular version of emacs?
>
> AFAIR, GnuTLS 3.4 changed the ABI, so you need to install an older
> version, if the version of Emacs you installed needs that.

It sounds like Emacs needs to be recompiled. I had this problem two days
ago with my Emacs installation from git after gnutls was updated from
3.3.14 to 3.4.0 in Archlinux (with the testing repository turned on). I
don't have libgnutls.so.28 on my system, only libgnutls.so.30 (and
30.0.0 and just .so).

Perhaps the maintainer hasn't yet noticed that it's stopped working, or
perhaps they haven't had time to update it yet. The ABS[1] can be used
to rebuild Emacs until the maintainer updates it. If the maintainer
isn't aware of this issue a bug report should probably be filed on the
Archlinux bug tracker.

I hope this helps!

[1]: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Build_System

Re: emacs update on archlinux

[Tassilo Horn]

Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> writes:

I guess that this emacs

> [jude@athame ~]$ yaourt -Ss emacs
> extra/emacs 24.5-1 [installed]
>     The extensible, customizable, self-documenting real-time display editor

is not the emacs that gets executed here:

> [jude@athame ~]$ emacs --version
> emacs: error while loading shared libraries: libgnutls.so.28: cannot open
> shared object file: No such file or directory

At least I have

  - core/gnutls 3.4.0-1 [installed]
  - extra/emacs 24.5-1 [installed]

installed and emacs starts fine.

What does `which emacs' on a terminal say?

Bye,
Tassilo

Re: emacs update on archlinux

[Jude DaShiell]

which returns:
/usr/local/bin/emacs.

emacs-nox breaks in the same way.  The builder of emacs and emacs-nox on 
archlinux needs to do another git pull and another arch package build then 
this error will be corrected.
xemacs doesn't break in this way, it just doesn't like my .emacs file yet. 
I'm going to run xemacs --init-debug and see what I can find and fix.


-- Twitter: JudeDaShiell


On Thu, 23 Apr 2015, Tassilo Horn wrote:

> Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> writes:
>
> I guess that this emacs
>
>> [jude@athame ~]$ yaourt -Ss emacs
>> extra/emacs 24.5-1 [installed]
>>     The extensible, customizable, self-documenting real-time display editor
>
> is not the emacs that gets executed here:
>
>> [jude@athame ~]$ emacs --version
>> emacs: error while loading shared libraries: libgnutls.so.28: cannot open
>> shared object file: No such file or directory
>
> At least I have
>
>  - core/gnutls 3.4.0-1 [installed]
>  - extra/emacs 24.5-1 [installed]
>
> installed and emacs starts fine.
>
> What does `which emacs' on a terminal say?
>
> Bye,
> Tassilo
>

Re: emacs update on archlinux

[Tassilo Horn]

Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> writes:

> which returns:
> /usr/local/bin/emacs.

See?  When installing the Arch emacs package, it is installed as
/usr/bin/emacs.  So you are trying to run some different emacs, and that
is broken.

Try running /usr/bin/emacs.  I guess that works.

Bye,
Tassilo

Re: emacs update on archlinux

[Jude DaShiell]

Correct, /usr/bin/emacs --version returns emacs version 24.5-1 with 
copyright date of 2015.  I deleted /usr/local/bin/emacs, let's see if 
which can now find the correct binary.



-- Twitter: JudeDaShiell


On Thu, 23 Apr 2015, Tassilo Horn wrote:

> Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com> writes:
>
>> which returns:
>> /usr/local/bin/emacs.
>
> See?  When installing the Arch emacs package, it is installed as
> /usr/bin/emacs.  So you are trying to run some different emacs, and that
> is broken.
>
> Try running /usr/bin/emacs.  I guess that works.
>
> Bye,
> Tassilo
>
>

Re: emacs update on archlinux

[tomas]

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On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 01:53:36PM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> Correct, /usr/bin/emacs --version returns emacs version 24.5-1 with
> copyright date of 2015.  I deleted /usr/local/bin/emacs, let's see
> if which can now find the correct binary.

No need to do that: explicitly invoking /usr/bin/emacs should be
enough.

OTOH if it's not working...

Be aware that this local installation of emacs possibly carries a lot
of stuff with it, which will be now typically sitting idle somewhere
in /usr/local/lib, /usr/local/share, and so on.

If you've got plenty of disk space you can leave that alone, but if
not...

Be careful when deleting stuff :-)

regards
- -- tomás
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Re: emacs update on archlinux

[Jude DaShiell]

I don't know how this happened, but also in /usr/local/bin I found an 
emacs-24.50 directory tree and deleted it.  That was probably one of those 
archlinux updates in which the packager was nice enough to not overwrite 
/usr/bin/emacs but I didn't read any post-install notes on the changed 
situation when it happened.



-- Twitter: JudeDaShiell


On Fri, 24 Apr 2015, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:

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> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 01:53:36PM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
>> Correct, /usr/bin/emacs --version returns emacs version 24.5-1 with
>> copyright date of 2015.  I deleted /usr/local/bin/emacs, let's see
>> if which can now find the correct binary.
>
> No need to do that: explicitly invoking /usr/bin/emacs should be
> enough.
>
> OTOH if it's not working...
>
> Be aware that this local installation of emacs possibly carries a lot
> of stuff with it, which will be now typically sitting idle somewhere
> in /usr/local/lib, /usr/local/share, and so on.
>
> If you've got plenty of disk space you can leave that alone, but if
> not...
>
> Be careful when deleting stuff :-)
>
> regards
> - -- tom?s
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