From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20385: [PROPOSED PATCH] Support quoting 'like this' in doc strings Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 17:40:18 +0300 Message-ID: <83383pzj1p.fsf@gnu.org> References: <1429555155-4695-1-git-send-email-eggert@cs.ucla.edu> <5535974D.9050207@cs.ucla.edu> <5535C7F3.7020107@cs.ucla.edu> <83618p5y9w.fsf@gnu.org> <83vbgp49ve.fsf@gnu.org> <83pp6x45x5.fsf@gnu.org> <5536ACB3.9040707@yandex.ru> <83lhhk4phe.fsf@gnu.org> <55394E30.8040307@yandex.ru> <83oamezk77.fsf@gnu.org> <4b159230-cd7e-4cb9-a778-3ad7ed2ae301@default> <83k2x2ys1b.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1429886491 14367 80.91.229.3 (24 Apr 2015 14:41:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 14:41:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 20385@debbugs.gnu.org, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 24 16:41:16 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ylen4-0006lK-KT for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 16:41:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45092 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ylen3-0002uT-LW for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 10:41:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53644) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ylemx-0002ts-8h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 10:41:10 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ylems-0007Dm-Od for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 10:41:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:49072) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ylems-0007Dg-L3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 10:41:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ylems-0000yw-El for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 10:41:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 14:41:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20385 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 20385-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20385.14298864453735 (code B ref 20385); Fri, 24 Apr 2015 14:41:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20385) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Apr 2015 14:40:45 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38845 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YlemX-0000y7-55 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 10:40:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout25.012.net.il ([80.179.55.181]:42554) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YlemQ-0000xn-Ey for 20385@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 10:40:38 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout25.012.net.il by mtaout25.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NNB00900EYJK600@mtaout25.012.net.il> for 20385@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 17:36:11 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout25.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NNB006NEF8BMX30@mtaout25.012.net.il>; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 17:36:11 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:101983 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 07:11:24 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: dgutov@yandex.ru, 20385@debbugs.gnu.org, eggert@cs.ucla.edu > > > > > Those who follow Markus Kuhn's advice, read here: > > > > http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/quotes.html > > > > > > ...where the *only* argument given is, again, "it looked rather > > > ugly". That is the only "why do they want that" that we have > > > heard, so far. > > > > You are missing the point: this paper wants those "rather ugly" > > characters to disappear from text content, and not everybody out > > there uses Emacs for editing and reading that. > > No, I didn't miss the fact that the paper is not about Emacs etc. > The only _reason given_ in that paper for dropping use of `...' > quoting (anywhere, everywhere) is what I quoted: "it looked rather > ugly". What other reasons can there be for replacing one character with another? > > He doesn't talk about Emacs at all. > > You are repeating my point. He is not talking about Emacs or > anything similar to Emacs. Except that he seems to be talking > generally: As you say, "the old quoting characters" should > "never be used" anywhere "for quoting purposes". > > That includes Emacs. But he does not speak to the uses of > `...' in a context like Emacs. He wants all contexts to change, > but he makes no argument that takes a context like Emacs into > account. He doesn't care. Read his other articles, and you will see. > > He's talking about the world at large. People who want to > > follow him want the old quoting characters to never be used > > at all for quoting purposes. > > Maybe so. But the argument given is far too weak to apply to > Emacs. That "rather ugly" reason might be sufficient for some > people for some contexts. It is not a strong argument for a > context like Emacs. For you, but you are biased.