From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23926: defcustom with STANDARD= gives confusing results Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 17:12:11 +0300 Message-ID: <8337nihpdw.fsf@gnu.org> References: <> <<83vb0fgu83.fsf@gnu.org>> <443f2e44-5167-48e7-abc6-cce1e243461e@default> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1468073608 27252 80.91.229.3 (9 Jul 2016 14:13:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 14:13:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 23926@debbugs.gnu.org, npostavs@users.sourceforge.net To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 09 16:13:13 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bLt0K-0002xf-PB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 16:13:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51087 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bLt0K-00086y-11 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:13:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48111) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bLt0E-00086g-6H for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:13:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bLt0A-0004oG-CX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:13:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:60136) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bLt0A-0004oC-96 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:13:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bLt0A-000440-32 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:13:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 14:13:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23926 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 23926-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23926.146807355115584 (code B ref 23926); Sat, 09 Jul 2016 14:13:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 23926) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2016 14:12:31 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44240 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bLszf-00043H-GZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:12:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57028) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bLsze-000437-QF for 23926@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:12:31 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bLszW-0004lx-HX for 23926@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:12:25 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:40648) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bLszW-0004lt-Cq; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:12:22 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1743 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bLszS-0002Ro-Ot; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:12:19 -0400 In-reply-to: <443f2e44-5167-48e7-abc6-cce1e243461e@default> (message from Drew Adams on Sat, 9 Jul 2016 14:09:17 +0000 (UTC)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:120691 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 14:09:17 +0000 (UTC) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 23926@debbugs.gnu.org > > 2. Is it not a bug that Customize tells you that the value > was changed outside Customize? In what way was it > changed outside Customize? In fact, it was not even > changed. It was changed, because each time the sexp is evaluated it yields a different value. "Outside Customize" means not by the user who is typing values into the Custom buffer and saves those values by using the "set state" menu. > How about the reverse: Why do you think this is not a bug? See above.