From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: 38051@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se
Subject: bug#38051: 26.3; (elisp) `Insertion' use of verb "point"
Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2019 22:14:33 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <8336eyazx2.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b1d539d7-b507-4b33-8f2c-bcbf80e35d64@default> (message from Drew Adams on Fri, 8 Nov 2019 11:56:29 -0800 (PST))
> Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 11:56:29 -0800 (PST)
> From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> Cc: stefan@marxist.se, 38051@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> > > 1. From a user point of view (conceptual model),
> > > markers _are_ objects that can be located
> > > _in_ a buffer, _at_ buffer positions.
> >
> > That is incorrect. A marker stores a buffer and a location within
> > that buffer, but it isn't itself located in a buffer.
>
> From a user point of view. That's the point.
> That can't be "incorrect".
Of course it can. And it is.
> It's a question of what the user needs as a
> conceptual model to work with markers (and
> overlays, for that matter).
Wrong conceptual models will bite you down the road. It is best to
have correct conceptual models.
> > Overlays are completely different beasts.
>
> If you say so (without any explanation of why you
> think so).
>
> Does an overlay store a buffer and two locations
> within that buffer?
No. Like I said: it's a different beast.
> What is it in the user-observable behavior of a
> marker that requires introducing the extra
> (I'd say extraneous) construct of it "pointing to"
> a buffer and a position within that buffer?
Convenience and clarity of description.
And please, can we stop this bikeshedding? It goes nowhere.
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2019-11-04 18:10 ` bug#38051: 26.3; (elisp) `Insertion' use of verb "point" Drew Adams
2019-11-04 18:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2019-11-08 19:56 ` Drew Adams
2019-11-08 20:14 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2019-11-09 14:55 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-11-03 21:26 Drew Adams
2019-11-04 17:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-08 0:36 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-11-08 17:53 ` Drew Adams
2019-11-08 19:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
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