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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Gregory Heytings <ghe@sdf.org>
Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, spacibba@aol.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,
	andreyk.mad@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Support "\n" in icomplete-separator
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 20:09:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83361f22ah.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.NEB.2.22.394.2011111803220453.17489@sdf.lonestar.org> (message from Gregory Heytings on Wed, 11 Nov 2020 17:12:21 +0000)

> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 17:12:21 +0000
> From: Gregory Heytings <ghe@sdf.org>
> cc: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>, spacibba@aol.com,
>         monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, andreyk.mad@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
> > I'd say this much more bluntly: Emacs's minibuffer input was not 
> > designed for showing too many completion candidates, let alone show them 
> > vertically arranged.  It was even less designed to display the 
> > candidates or other hints in overlays.
> 
> Well, Emacs wasn't designed to manage emails or browse the web either ;-) 

Yes, it was.  Those applications basically display text with a few
images, something that Emacs 21 was definitely designed to support.

Don't misunderstand me: Emacs _can_ display what icomplete-vertical
and similar features ask it, it just cannot do that well, and the
results are not pretty.  If you read the code that is involved, the
reasons are acutely evident, and it is important for me to make these
conclusions public and known to all, because many people believe
there's no limit to what one can do with Emacs display features.
Well, there is.

> Did you try Ivy?

Yes.

> And, FWIW, I'm a user, and I do not expect a "very different way of 
> showing completion candidates".

Neither am I.  icomplete-vertical and friends weren't written for the
likes of us.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-11-11 18:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-05 23:10 [PATCH] Support "\n" in icomplete-separator Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-05 23:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-06  0:04   ` Ergus
2020-11-06  2:44     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-06  8:42     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-06 10:26   ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-05 23:57 ` Ergus
2020-11-06  8:43   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-06 12:36   ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-06 15:15     ` Ergus
2020-11-08 20:14       ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-08 20:30         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-08 20:36           ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-09  3:28         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-09 21:04           ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-10 15:13             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-10 17:18               ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-10 18:18                 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11  9:41                   ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-10 18:23                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-10 19:17                   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-10 19:27                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-10 20:00                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-10 21:09                   ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-11  8:27                     ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11  9:07                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 15:57                         ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11  9:38                       ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-11 10:01                         ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11 10:21                           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 10:53                             ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11 11:22                               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 15:49                                 ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11 15:57                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-11 16:16                                     ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11 17:06                                     ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11 17:28                                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 16:05                                   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 17:06                                     ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11 17:26                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-11 17:37                                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 15:32                             ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11 15:26                           ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11 16:06                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-11 17:12                             ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 17:19                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-11-11 17:44                                 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 17:50                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-11-11 18:14                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-11 18:09                               ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2020-11-11 18:39                                 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 20:21                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-11 20:37                                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-11 21:55                                       ` Ergus
2020-11-11 22:26                                         ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11 22:59                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-12  3:28                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-12  8:50                                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12  9:13                                           ` on helm substantial differences - " Jean Louis
2020-11-12  9:20                                             ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12 10:25                                               ` Jean Louis
2020-11-12 10:54                                                 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12 11:33                                                   ` Jean Louis
2020-11-12 14:40                                                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12 17:46                                                       ` Jean Louis
2020-11-12 14:41                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-12 17:49                                               ` Jean Louis
2020-11-12 17:58                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-12 14:36                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-12 15:05                                             ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12 15:36                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-12 16:10                                                 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12 17:50                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-13 12:40                                                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-13 12:59                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-13 13:36                                                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-13 13:52                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-13 15:09                                                             ` Stephen Berman
2020-11-13 16:05                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-13 17:31                                                                 ` Stephen Berman
2020-11-16 10:24                                                             ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-16 17:44                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-17 11:51                                                                 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12  7:58                                     ` martin rudalics
2020-11-12  8:52                                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-12 14:37                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-12 12:39                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-11-12 19:31                                         ` Howard Melman
2020-11-12 20:02                                           ` ivy-posframe review - " Jean Louis
2020-11-11 14:09                         ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11 15:51                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-11 16:05                             ` Jean Louis
2020-11-11 18:52                       ` Drew Adams
2020-11-11 19:10                         ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11 19:49                           ` Drew Adams
2020-11-12  7:58                             ` martin rudalics
2020-11-11 19:51                           ` Drew Adams
2020-11-11 16:30                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-12 22:51                       ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-13  8:39                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-13 12:56                           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-13 13:02                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-13 13:44                               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-13 13:55                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-16 10:25                                   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-16 17:40                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-16 17:41                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-16 18:24                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-11-17 11:51                                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-17 14:05                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-13 19:27                             ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-17  8:59                               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-11-13 20:18                           ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-14  6:17                             ` Ergus
2020-11-14 20:36                               ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-15  2:39                                 ` Ergus
2020-11-15 19:32                                   ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-10 20:01                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-11-06  5:52 ` Jean Louis
2020-11-06 12:40   ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-06 12:59     ` Jean Louis
2020-11-08 20:28       ` Andrii Kolomoiets
2020-11-08 20:50         ` Jean Louis
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-11-06 16:30 Drew Adams
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2020-11-11 19:03                             ` Drew Adams
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2020-11-12 17:42                                                 ` Drew Adams

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