From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Sv: Emacs Survey: Toolbars Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2020 16:23:03 +0200 Message-ID: <8335zvp9ko.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87o8iv3ac3.fsf@gnus.org> <877dpjp30g.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <87zh2fnmwq.fsf@gnus.org> <87o8ivumn5.fsf@telefonica.net> <87v9d3nkxk.fsf@gnus.org> <83k0t9rfj5.fsf@gnu.org> , <83tuscplcg.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11469"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: ghe@sdf.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: arthur miller Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 24 15:24:53 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ksRXw-0002pS-GT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 15:24:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44534 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ksRXv-0000zr-Fi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 09:24:51 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42666) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ksRWg-0000OO-7h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 09:23:34 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41828) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ksRWe-0002Lg-Py; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 09:23:32 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3161 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ksRWW-0002vE-HF; Thu, 24 Dec 2020 09:23:25 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from arthur miller on Thu, 24 Dec 2020 04:40:23 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261680 Archived-At: > From: arthur miller > CC: "rms@gnu.org" , "ghe@sdf.org" , > "emacs-devel@gnu.org" > Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2020 04:40:23 +0000 > > > I also think that it is not wise to talk about page decorations before > > we actually have a WYSIWYG editor that can display formatted text. > > You can already display formatted text. You have implemented it! Emacs draws italics, and bold, and > superscripts, > different fonts and what not. It just has to be connected to a button! N. Rougier made awesome little svg > library for > toolbars and now he posted little svg-icon library to download icons. It is justto create some nice svg buttons > and toolbars and connect it to those functions for text formatting. Those things we "just" have to do, must be done, otherwise we cannot claim to be anywhere near a word processor, because it is unimaginable in a word processor to apply faces via Edit->Text Properties, let alone via lower-level commands. And the next thing to do is the ability to save all that face information to a disk file, so that the next time you visit the file you see the same faces. Enriched mode does that, but it needs more love. Next after that is pixel-level indentation and filling/justification, so that we could use variable-pitch fonts. Next are the printing facilities, where I hope we will once and for all solve the problem of printing non-ASCII, non-Latin-1 characters. When we have done all that, we will have a significant portion of a word processor, IMO.