From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#50950: "(emacs) Mark" should contrast to "selecting" text in other editors Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 09:27:36 +0300 Message-ID: <8335p0go87.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83pmsocyze.fsf@gnu.org> <83ilygc5e6.fsf@gnu.org> <83ilxxgitt.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36885"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 50950@debbugs.gnu.org To: stefan@marxist.se Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 17 08:28:10 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mbzeT-0009P2-Rc for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 08:28:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34540 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mbzeS-0006un-7W for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 02:28:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54288) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mbzeM-0006ud-PZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 02:28:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:60178) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mbzeM-00024T-Gf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 02:28:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mbzeM-0001Bp-7D for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 02:28:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 06:28:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 50950 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 50950-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B50950.16344520614544 (code B ref 50950); Sun, 17 Oct 2021 06:28:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 50950) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Oct 2021 06:27:41 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43491 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mbze1-0001BE-B3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 02:27:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52342) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mbzdz-0001B1-Up for 50950@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 02:27:40 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45874) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mbzdu-0001hW-Ir; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 02:27:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2358 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mbzdt-0006Bx-5I; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 02:27:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83ilxxgitt.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sat, 16 Oct 2021 17:11:58 +0300) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:217408 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 17:11:58 +0300 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: 50950@debbugs.gnu.org > > As for differences themselves, I'd suggest an explicit itemized list, > first naming them and then explaining each difference in some detail, > including cross-references to sections which describe them in more > detail. The differences I think we should describe here are: > > . the "mark" and its relation to region (after all, the chapter is > called "The Mark and the Region") > . the fact that region can be active or inactive, and the basic > difference between these two > . the fact that some commands operate on region if it's active, and > some even if it's inactive (the main difference here is that in > Emacs many more commands are region-sensitive than in other > programs, where it basically only supports copy/paste) > . maybe also that we have some unusual ways of extending the region And one more difference to consider: Emacs commands that move far enough away usually set the mark at the original position, thus implicitly setting the region. That region is by default inactive, but can be activated by a single command.