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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Redisplay hook error backtraces
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2022 09:03:13 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8335f1sify.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YtGvZqw0z96tM0ZQ@ACM> (message from Alan Mackenzie on Fri, 15 Jul 2022 18:18:14 +0000)

> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2022 18:18:14 +0000
> Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
> 
> I've come to see that `backtrace-on-redisplay-lisp-error', although
> accurate, is too much of a mouthful, and I think it needs shortening.
> Would anybody object to me just calling this variable `debug-redisplay'?

Too general, IMO.  How about backtrace-on-redisplay-errors?

> Also, I think that writing the backtrace into *Backtrace* is a bad idea,
> now.  Users expect such a buffer to have active facilities, whereas the
> new backtrace is just a dead dump.  Is there any objection to me instead
> calling the buffer something like "*Redisplay-trace*"?

No objections, but I think you are again over-engineering things.

> +Note that, for technical reasons, you cannot use the facilities
> +defined in this subsection to debug errors in hooks the redisplay code
> +has invoked.  @xref{Debugging Redisplay} for help with these.
                                           ^
A comma missing there.

> +@node Debugging Redisplay
> +@subsection Debugging Redisplay Hooks
> +@cindex redisplay hooks

This @cindex should be "redisplay hooks, debugging", because it
doesn't talk about the hooks in general.

> +When a Lisp error occurs in a hook function which redisplay has
> +invoked, you cannot use Emacs's usual debugging mechanisms, for
> +technical reasons.  This subsection describes how to get a backtrace
> +from such an error, information which should be helpful in debugging
> +it.

This talks about hooks, which restricts the scope of the facility: we
want to be able to collect backtraces from any Lisp called by the
display code.  For example, :eval forms in the mode line, Lisp code
called by fontification-functions, etc.  So the text ebove needs to be
revised with this in mind.

> +The hooks which these directions apply to are the following:

I don't want us to have a list that looks like it's an exhaustive one.
maintaining such a list is a maintenance burden we are better without.
Please give a couple of examples and change the text to the effect
that these are just examples.

> +*** It is now possible to generate a backtrace from errors in redisplay
> +hooks.  To do this, set the new variable

The heading line should be a full sentence.

Thanks.



  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-16  6:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-25 13:42 Why is it so difficult to get a Lisp backtrace? Alan Mackenzie
2022-06-25 15:26 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-06-25 15:30   ` Stefan Kangas
2022-06-25 15:52     ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-06-25 16:27       ` Stefan Kangas
2022-06-25 15:35   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-06-25 15:59     ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-06-25 16:51       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-25 19:45         ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-06-26  5:20           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-27 19:48             ` Fontification error backtrace [Was: Why is it so difficult to get a Lisp backtrace?] Alan Mackenzie
2022-06-28 11:43               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-06-28 11:57               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-28 17:28                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-06-28 18:17                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-28 19:31                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-06-29 19:00                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-12 19:48                         ` Redisplay hook error bactraces [Was: Fontification error backtrace] Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-13 12:33                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-13 18:41                             ` Redisplay hook error backtraces Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-13 19:00                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-13 20:12                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-13 20:49                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-07-14  5:12                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-14  9:01                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-14  9:10                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-14 13:42                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-14 13:59                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-14 16:07                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-14 16:18                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-07-14 19:47                                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-14 20:48                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-07-15  5:50                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-15 18:18                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-16  6:03                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2022-07-14 17:09                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-14 19:33                                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-16  6:12                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-16 15:45                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-13 19:13                           ` Redisplay hook error bactraces [Was: Fontification error backtrace] Stefan Monnier
2022-07-13 19:24                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-13 19:58                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-13 20:45                               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-06-30 20:34                       ` Fontification error backtrace [Was: Why is it so difficult to get a Lisp backtrace?] Stefan Monnier
2022-07-01  5:39                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-01 15:34                           ` Juri Linkov
2022-07-01 16:04                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-01 19:14                               ` Juri Linkov
2022-07-01 19:26                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-07-02  5:53                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-07-02 21:15                               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-07-02 20:27                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-07-02 21:12                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-06-26  8:45 ` Why is it so difficult to get a Lisp backtrace? Stefan Monnier

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