From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#59882: Multiple versions of Org in load-path problem Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2022 14:59:50 +0200 Message-ID: <83359innsp.fsf__762.494518288293$1671022958$gmane$org@gnu.org> References: <87tu27jq7h.fsf@localhost> <87k032nyok.fsf@localhost> <39a5810d-75bc-4ddb-8722-703f762ed4de@app.fastmail.com> <835yel11x8.fsf@gnu.org> <87edt2qpoa.fsf@localhost> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22015"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: dsmasterson@gmail.com, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, michel@schi.nz, 59882@debbugs.gnu.org To: Ihor Radchenko , Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 14 14:02:29 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1p5RP3-0005SL-3a for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 14:02:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p5ROf-0002LU-8B; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 08:02:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p5RNe-0001z4-Pq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 08:01:04 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p5RNe-00014m-8R for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 08:01:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p5RNe-0000Ca-3g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 08:01:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2022 13:01:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 59882 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 59882-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B59882.1671022803651 (code B ref 59882); Wed, 14 Dec 2022 13:01:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 59882) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Dec 2022 13:00:03 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39101 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p5RMg-0000AP-Ri for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 08:00:03 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37150) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p5RMe-00009O-4P for 59882@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 08:00:01 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p5RMY-0000Ya-Dy; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 07:59:54 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=eaedBL0dDVZaLly6EwNHAUf0uD6bdk4MbUi2fyHjTQs=; b=OllkgFQVEdWX 7w2n/Aa3cO62XpeXyADPN/1Gjbk5uYJLTsiIDy7RadmfCjoTAWcGyuMlN2Z7L49DqDf7SURAQSZY/ mMJr8wwJFNwuPIw2QDoufqj7WEKA9/G+ZFY24wxzz0QXJBPcEhnoV3GvxuAjOwBsK+jOOQ+6592s0 OH2yDuIyHBujsxHd+6KvpA048ESetUQLy2VpFxX+8f/dlYRULQcXC5ulEq+fDj083vWV6ERmHQiml 5ZfKKijkUlMMbz27IddaQUQh/ypwi2g/nq5knnF+IeR6tw2t1hqk/yyhtGYLnqH+YyW75YBRfuXR9 T0MpfJPPpn2unpSzM+zymA==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p5RMX-0007Ql-UK; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 07:59:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87edt2qpoa.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Wed, 14 Dec 2022 09:51:01 +0000) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:250938 Archived-At: > From: Ihor Radchenko > Cc: David Masterson , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, > michel@schi.nz, 59882@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2022 09:51:01 +0000 > > On a related note, is it normal that package like org-mouse.el gets > loaded upon calling C-h f org-mouse- completion prompt? > org-mouse.el does not contain a single autoload cookie. I think it's expected, because the doc strings need to be loaded. Stefan, am I right? > I am asking because org-mouse.el advises some functions and its loading > may cause unexpected consequences. See > https://orgmode.org/list/87r0x6sju1.fsf@fastmail.fm I think org-mouse.el should be fixed not to cause such effects just by loading it. It should do that only when it is actually used. > At the same time, we have users complaining about some defcustoms not > being available without loading. > https://orgmode.org/list/25496.19258.682537.503614@gargle.gargle.HOWL That's too vague: it talks about "whether a variable exists", which is ambiguous. That a variable is not boundp until its definition is loaded is perfectly expected, and I don't think defcustom changes that in any way (unless you autoload the defcustom, which is considered not the best style around here). So I guess some clarification is in order: what exactly was the problem with that variable being "nonexistent"?