From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New Package for NonGNU-ELPA: clojure-ts-mode Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 16:30:31 +0300 Message-ID: <83350ncbns.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87il9kksqz.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87a5uw9ivs.fsf@posteo.net> <87ttt42gna.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87wmy080kn.fsf@posteo.net> <83v8djcydl.fsf@gnu.org> <87350ndquw.fsf@dfreeman.email> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18173"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: philipk@posteo.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, manuel.uberti@inventati.org To: Danny Freeman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 13 15:31:36 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qVBBw-0004YL-3x for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 15:31:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qVBB2-0006pl-Tt; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 09:30:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qVBAz-0006pJ-TB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 09:30:38 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qVBAx-0000Lr-3C; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 09:30:36 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=3CRmtw26qzQBXNHZdFNotjY8CWlAFmASJluTS/UaCWc=; b=f6PhiKBAISD8 X3nA753D+5SUEE1eVQ7ou9NCoLTAeXq1t1BbQN9tCCDkb9g9jv/PUFtAx18a9hdp29Jl6hCRWAj3C mT5MNVtMg448Co5CtZZUCo8M3cvY6NR89BQlaiyBRCiY+VOi96lp73OxGemIHdqtl53y7btXZVJF7 l+aP873mF8dx6PSVd13aQmL7iqSV15Jbcho5bEse4fN2F8a/HhwLV9yERE31Z9/y0qPgNvPhy7kim bboTBAcxh2YRFEhifSEtuxY2eHl5hoja7imcFLYDALehqJHv0l8xVD19Tz1cXmAAKUEq80m+1dA8D XEHHSKjieX80ZzLFabsorQ==; In-Reply-To: <87350ndquw.fsf@dfreeman.email> (message from Danny Freeman on Sun, 13 Aug 2023 09:02:20 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:308675 Archived-At: > From: Danny Freeman > Cc: Philip Kaludercic , danny@dfreeman.email, > emacs-devel@gnu.org, manuel.uberti@inventati.org > Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2023 09:02:20 -0400 > > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > I agree. Perhaps the contributions to clojure-ts-mode could be > > re-assessed: those that are small don't need copyright assignments. > > I don't think it's going to be possible. Primary contributors do no want > to put this in core and do not want to require copyright assignment to > contribute to clojure-ts-mode. Don't agree because they oppose that as a matter of principle, or don't agree because they think it's too much work? I'm suggesting to look at the numbers and see who of the contributors really needs to sign the legal paperwork. The results might surprise us, but even if they don't, what possible harm could it do to collect those LOC counts for each contributor, so that we all are on the same page regarding the magnitude of the problem? Or let me turn the table ans ask: suppose no CA paperwork was needed: would they still oppose adding these modes to Emacs? Maybe the people involved don't really want to see this in core even if possible. But if so, I guess they are unwilling to contribute the package to Emacs, which makes this whole discussion futile and pointless to begin with. > Clojure-mode and cider were never moved to the core for the same > reason. I have already had this conversation with them a number of > times but was unable to make a convincing argument. What are the counter-arguments?