From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New Package for NonGNU-ELPA: clojure-ts-mode Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2023 05:27:25 +0300 Message-ID: <833502inw2.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87il9kksqz.fsf@dfreeman.email> <83350ncbns.fsf@gnu.org> <87cyzrjbd8.fsf@dfreeman.email> <83zg2vav46.fsf@gnu.org> <87o7j99304.fsf@dfreeman.email> <87wmxj27fn.fsf@dfreeman.email> <831qfrptiq.fsf@gnu.org> <57429221-d9be-5791-e975-b3539905e2f6@gutov.dev> <83a5udlj47.fsf@gnu.org> <87a5udk1co.fsf@posteo.net> <835y51kslv.fsf@gnu.org> <7a82c524-1aa1-e755-e377-673ebb107a44@gutov.dev> <83r0nok8s4.fsf@gnu.org> <87il90znco.fsf@yahoo.com> <1977fbef-307b-bcf4-9448-64f26916dd65@gutov.dev> <87edjozlqq.fsf@yahoo.com> <43ddad10-49dd-1c49-ebfe-51689780b315@gutov.dev> <87msyciplu.fsf@posteo.net> <83h6okk3oe.fsf@gnu.org> <87edjoindn.fsf@posteo.net> <83bkesjwuk.fsf@gnu.org> <83bkeri1cz.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32967"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: bozhidar@batsov.dev, philipk@posteo.net, dmitry@gutov.dev, luangruo@yahoo.com, danny@dfreeman.email, stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, manuel.uberti@inventati.org To: Lynn Winebarger Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 29 04:28:33 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qaoT3-0008OY-8g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2023 04:28:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qaoSR-0003H8-W0; Mon, 28 Aug 2023 22:27:56 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qaoSQ-0003Gz-Mb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2023 22:27:54 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qaoSO-0002xr-RQ; Mon, 28 Aug 2023 22:27:52 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=VSYFKKNAV236S+fjbQjzYUBCGplJqYRIbuTBI3XkopY=; b=aUAIig7i4Djd kMN3Ctxya263ZBxjpHTaeCsjWa/tKyAgSsCKBKfyClQ9GO8DxPL1FSbcoWZvFFQtUI6Ttynx4uL+E faXip4V07OynO8GQ7pfKsTzvcak/1iZ7x68r3/RMQbUe+Rzyx4vgW7X2p2X8CdV5to5zmeusbGCB7 W/WqZ9zmOYzL++OP1TmnH6PopWmd+sksT7WLegDIXk/pNLh/R6ajnhxl9sa8kMyeKSe/BTX3c8xZV TUg97AQSkBCrJZ5z4NDgLLCpJRnRIoU90hoj5tko9WDhwKw1e3jMJoBeIwV5hTQNyx0ooLr5/vtp7 yeFKlaNbnMYaUCPQFaLd/A==; In-Reply-To: (message from Lynn Winebarger on Mon, 28 Aug 2023 16:03:27 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309473 Archived-At: > From: Lynn Winebarger > Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 16:03:27 -0400 > Cc: bozhidar@batsov.dev, philipk@posteo.net, dmitry@gutov.dev, > luangruo@yahoo.com, danny@dfreeman.email, stefankangas@gmail.com, > emacs-devel@gnu.org, manuel.uberti@inventati.org > > Whatever authority Bozhidar has is over the project he's a maintainer > of, not over emacs or clojure features incorporated in it, or even, > frankly, the software produced by his project. It is licensed as free > software, after all. The only meaningful constraint on the creation of > a fork, major or minor, of free software is the pain involved in > maintaining such forks. That's formally true, but doing this over the objections of the original authors would be IMO rude, and I would not agree to that lightly. > I'm not sure why you would assume the project that > created/maintains/develops an external package would necessarily want > to contribute the additional labor required to participate in the > emacs development process. If the emacs project wants to incorporate > such a package in core, it's not unreasonable to expect it to provide > the resources required rather than expecting the additional labor be > done by the external project. The Emacs project can and does provide additional labor, but not when the authors object to including their package.