From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Adding refactoring capabilities to Emacs Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 18:30:26 +0300 Message-ID: <8334yxyp2l.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83fs4f36wi.fsf@gnu.org> <1b963d24-51b3-8128-ad14-e4af2c9f0c43@gutov.dev> <8408fa63-af93-ab36-8524-fa12de7918ea@gutov.dev> <87pm25qck5.fsf@posteo.net> <83a5t51d21.fsf@gnu.org> <87jzs95fh5.fsf@gmail.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34049"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: ams@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, dmitry@gutov.dev, joaotavora@gmail.com, philipk@posteo.net, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Robert Pluim Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 29 17:31:47 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qmFT1-0008aH-HQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2023 17:31:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qmFS5-0002WG-OZ; Fri, 29 Sep 2023 11:30:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qmFS3-0002Ug-Of for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2023 11:30:47 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qmFS2-0004UE-Mi; Fri, 29 Sep 2023 11:30:46 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=z+3zGfEg0HYNZfQ0IWnR52hH6v7CQI4M9WQStDyI+lg=; b=GIQFOLBH2V+F zS5BqVfTwXzQaQ0NmgF+AfQLIJ8fNtiUHamrGFmN0QvTRKiwodpCMJi9Vrd2jzH2yOFugCnHoEuLv cJpE9uhgdCTZ3sZ8072glJRbmaKhxrVZ4mM+6z3qQRi2CU42cbWi9ylXlquMxPvoWMXZPwFVAWyIq cnP3JwU3OZJMP6Alag5VWSr/yFx3CV1//Tif23AcOQFn7SwMaFAfwwbgU86wkUJ0TmI+SoxP5CIpO lWLFEXk7g7zOf086NVVFMVb9Rea87i0IwUAMkRH2fpxH/wF3e18kYUvj5kjWjKwnf20Pki+Y5zusA HodXKx89k8uIofp//6Os9A==; In-Reply-To: <87jzs95fh5.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Robert Pluim on Fri, 29 Sep 2023 14:30:30 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311165 Archived-At: > From: Robert Pluim > Cc: "Alfred M. Szmidt" , drew.adams@oracle.com, > dmitry@gutov.dev, joaotavora@gmail.com, philipk@posteo.net, > monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 14:30:30 +0200 > > >>>>> On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 13:36:22 +0300, Eli Zaretskii said: > > >> From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" > >> Cc: dmitry@gutov.dev, joaotavora@gmail.com, philipk@posteo.net, > >> monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > >> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2023 11:22:20 -0400 > >> > >> Occur and grep buffers are by default read-only (and there is a > >> regression in that too > > Eli> It is only a "regression" if you still have your muscle memory from 20 > Eli> years ago, since it's when we started making the compilation-mode > Eli> buffers read-opnly. > > "C-x C-q" in an "occur" buffer still leaves some non-useful key > bindings around, like for "DEL". To usefully edit an "occur" buffer > you need to run `occur-edit-mode', bound to "e" by default. We could > fix that wart if we wanted to. I know that, right? My point was that if the mode doesn't give you a special-purpose editing sub-mode (like Occur and Dired, etc.), then "C-x C-q" should do.