From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding refactoring capabilities to Emacs Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 20:36:43 +0300 Message-ID: <8334ywc250.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83fs4f36wi.fsf@gnu.org> <1b963d24-51b3-8128-ad14-e4af2c9f0c43@gutov.dev> <8408fa63-af93-ab36-8524-fa12de7918ea@gutov.dev> <4c69224e-0500-9881-6a1f-7c36f1226123@gutov.dev> <83jzs91neo.fsf@gnu.org> <75a51f1a-b621-807f-8fbb-0cfcad785c04@gutov.dev> <837co9ypih.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9569"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: ams@gnu.org, joaotavora@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, philipk@posteo.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 29 19:37:47 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qmHQx-000296-9p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2023 19:37:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qmHQR-0002af-Bs; Fri, 29 Sep 2023 13:37:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qmHQL-0002aK-UC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Sep 2023 13:37:10 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qmHQL-00009u-Km; Fri, 29 Sep 2023 13:37:09 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=fiYqD8s7GetsFhUmL+ltvX76HH1StVsPLYUVgS/USIk=; b=iSqlMurV7nyI luObQjrsKtAw2ZNN3rlgSDv6jpKo6a9Nh1QoXsgb1LYx77tNw7ozWd4GJIRiZG3sDsiy/GlZOM5uH BERH9PFJQu7apY6EO47ciuOc8vxbC0NTHqtw/1dypmCuGEbRmx0sARkC53Qh3N5bXV52velEzX9O9 MbbPPWvizWClom9kkHVqwq1ypdHWLBJKY+hpg28q1+8d4WY9VOLhZ3UXFVzbZgtv/Ng2FE+ABrpfX isKGWN/7bHc88YmzDruJx/6cKNCRVZWKu+qffDwRBdFifK38GOqi29PJunDWDzZX2gRjiYn5lMsX2 Nm0cZv9tKWemiSnhnSFOZQ==; In-Reply-To: (message from Dmitry Gutov on Fri, 29 Sep 2023 20:20:46 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311184 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 20:20:46 +0300 > Cc: ams@gnu.org, joaotavora@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, > philipk@posteo.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Dmitry Gutov > > On 29/09/2023 18:20, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2023 13:21:43 +0300 > >> Cc: ams@gnu.org, joaotavora@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, > >> philipk@posteo.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org > >> From: Dmitry Gutov > >> > >>>> Correction: C-x v v. > >>> That functionality of "C-x v v" is only available for Git (and > >>> basically is undocumented), so it's too early to declare victory. > >> > >> It's available for Git, for Hg (two separate dedicated implementations), > >> and for the other VCSes too on best-effort basis (see the function > >> vc-default-checkin-patch). > > > > Yes, I found this out by now, thanks. Which makes it even worse that > > no documentation of "C-x v v" mentions that, anywhere! (And many > > things that "C-x v v" did for years aren't documented, either, sigh.) > > > > We should do better than that. > > We should. But the problem started at the "no feedback" step. > > When there is no interest even among the greybeards on this list, why > spend extra effort advertising something untested? I'm not sure I follow: the undocumented features I had in mind were released with Emacs 29.1. So if it was untested, why did we release it?