From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Translating Emacs manuals is of strategic importance Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 14:12:01 +0200 Message-ID: <8334v2kay6.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87r0iz3lx0.fsf@yahoo.com> <877ckqa6m5.fsf@yahoo.com> <8734vda9kz.fsf@yahoo.com> <5EC9A02F-DB34-48B6-BD2D-CB9E89A385D0@traductaire-libre.org> <83r0iwuek9.fsf@gnu.org> <837cknvkrx.fsf@gnu.org> <4719da9bc2414ff2d8c0@heytings.org> <83h6jjj6ht.fsf@gnu.org> <4719da9bc2c9ad53882d@heytings.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8776"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: jean.christophe.helary@traductaire-libre.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, vincent.b.1@hotmail.fr, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 12 13:13:18 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rOGPV-00024r-BI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 13:13:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOGOv-000667-2E; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 07:12:41 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOGOr-00061u-S8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 07:12:38 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rOGOq-0000Z4-Al; Fri, 12 Jan 2024 07:12:36 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=YL4zQmO998cGQ3HLiVkK25Y17lIvO47rcVIj9V6aUJk=; b=XkWQP0eMACb9 lXsJpebCWw6BH7Rpcf77x7NmeNOkR+/WyOYFjK5v0/69ph476EdsCjhsfbJ4LajFvvkIRM5IgoC8F p+rG+3ZO3LE8fVgL0adve2sP3SxGY441kNiMKJ+5Lhc2sc0mJJQfQgRgX16sNPfRrquOmeveLNh/i e/tU3RJc3gOc/hp9c1wyLsmgh5KmDApKjLUIh367qkDKgbP582jd9YcnJ8w6qdz7edWoADBm8/wIG XgmtJQpS4GDyuZ8utVVef1sUTcLFL362BsjKnsQAwYrh7boKXNxFLCpCMjhHHBS5lwGANkRd+bad5 rrZUyN5h9Ql+3FCd9ToxOA==; In-Reply-To: <4719da9bc2c9ad53882d@heytings.org> (message from Gregory Heytings on Fri, 12 Jan 2024 12:08:09 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:314898 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 12:08:09 +0000 > From: Gregory Heytings > cc: jean.christophe.helary@traductaire-libre.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, > vincent.b.1@hotmail.fr, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org > > > >> FYI, the LibreOffice manual ("Help") is more than twice the size of the > >> Emacs manual, and has been translated in a few dozen languages. > > > > Is it written in Texinfo? > > > > Of course not. The "master" (English) file is written in XML, and PO is > used for the translations. > > > > > Does it reference other manuals? > > > > No, AFAIK it is self-contained. > > > > > How does LibreOffice decide in which language to display the manual? > > > > LibreOffice is fully localized. Its UI elements and Help are displayed in > the language specified in the LC_ALL or LANG environment variable. Thanks. So I conclude that the LibreOffice manual cannot help us figure out how to handle the issues raised in this discussion, viz.: . how to handle Texinfo cross-references to other manuals . how to decide which of the translated manuals to display by default, based on the information we have from the Info manual