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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: please make line-move-visual nil
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 06:01:25 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <831vqdubqy.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87eiudewtq.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp>

> From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
> Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:32:49 +0900
> Cc: 'Leo' <sdl.web@gmail.com>, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>,
> 	emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
> Chong Yidong writes:
> 
>  > This was done in July 2008, and there were fairly extensive discussions
>  > on this list then, and on several occasions afterwards.
> 
> Why have prereleases then, if it's "too late" for feedback from users
> who are not willing to bleed on the edge, and who don't necessarily
> read emacs-devel with their morning coffee?

Pretest is not for changing the default behavior.  They are for fixing
bugs before the release.  The time for users to voice their objections
and requests for improvements is after Emacs is released.  There's
always the next release.

> You should also consider that for this particular default, positive
> responses will come quickly from those who use long lines a lot, while
> they are unlikely to notice much aggravation in environments where
> visual motion is likely to be inappropriate, because those environment
> typically strongly discourage long lines anyway.  Thus the complaints
> are likely to be relatively late and few

I don't know why you assume this: I happen to use longer-than-80-column
lines quite a lot, and I'm quite sure it's not as rare as you seem to
think.  Not every text we see in Emacs is necessarily a well-formatted
program source.




  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-25  3:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 144+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-24 12:30 please make line-move-visual nil Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-13 13:35 ` garyo
2009-05-13 23:59   ` Deniz Dogan
2009-05-14  0:06     ` garyo
2009-05-14  8:51       ` Teemu Likonen
2009-05-14  9:37         ` Antoine Levitt
2009-05-15  3:21           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-15  4:22             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-17  6:29               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-14 11:29         ` garyo
2009-05-14 15:37           ` Teemu Likonen
2009-05-15  2:45             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-15 14:31               ` Davis Herring
2009-05-17  6:29                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-17 10:48                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-17 20:28                     ` Davis Herring
2009-05-24 22:33                       ` Drew Adams
2009-05-24 23:18                         ` Bastien
2009-05-24 23:18                         ` Leo
2009-05-24 23:50                           ` Chong Yidong
2009-05-24 23:58                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-25  8:05                               ` Miles Bader
2009-05-25  0:53                             ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25  1:03                               ` Chong Yidong
2009-05-25  1:59                                 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 13:23                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 17:51                                     ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25  2:32                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-25  3:01                                   ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2009-05-25  4:16                                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-25  8:34                                       ` Bastien
2009-05-25 20:21                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25 20:46                                         ` Drew Adams
2009-05-27 12:48                                       ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2009-05-27 12:51                                         ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2009-05-31 11:45                                         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-31 12:08                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2009-05-31 17:00                                             ` Miles Bader
2009-05-31 22:29                                               ` Bob Rogers
2009-06-01  2:33                                                 ` Miles Bader
2009-06-01  9:22                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01  9:54                                                     ` Miles Bader
2009-06-01  9:59                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-05 22:13                                                         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2009-05-31 13:09                                           ` Deniz Dogan
2009-06-01  2:39                                             ` Miles Bader
2009-05-31 21:19                                           ` Chong Yidong
2009-06-01  7:24                                             ` Mathias Megyei
2009-06-01 13:29                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 14:36                                             ` T.V. Raman
2009-06-01 16:20                                               ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 17:56                                                 ` bug#3438: " Chong Yidong
2009-06-01 17:56                                                 ` Chong Yidong
2009-06-01 18:26                                                   ` bug#3438: " Drew Adams
2009-06-01 18:26                                                   ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 20:11                                                     ` bug#3438: " Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 20:11                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 21:00                                                       ` bug#3438: " Drew Adams
2009-06-01 21:00                                                       ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 21:25                                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 21:33                                                           ` bug#3438: " Drew Adams
2009-06-01 21:33                                                           ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 21:56                                                             ` bug#3438: " Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 21:56                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 21:25                                                         ` bug#3438: " Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 22:33                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 22:52                                                           ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 23:12                                                             ` bug#3438: " Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 23:12                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 23:57                                                               ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 23:57                                                               ` bug#3438: " Drew Adams
2009-06-01 23:13                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-06-01 23:23                                                               ` Drew Adams
2009-06-02 15:59                                                                 ` bug#3438: " Eli Zaretskii
2009-06-02 15:59                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-06-01 23:23                                                               ` bug#3438: " Drew Adams
2009-06-01 23:13                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-06-01 22:52                                                           ` Drew Adams
2009-06-12 17:16                                                           ` Drew Adams
2009-06-12 17:16                                                           ` Drew Adams
2009-06-12 21:45                                                             ` bug#3438: " Stefan Monnier
2009-06-12 21:45                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-13  0:19                                                               ` Drew Adams
2009-06-14 20:45                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-13  0:19                                                               ` bug#3438: " Drew Adams
2009-06-01 22:33                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 23:18                                                     ` Drew Adams
2009-06-02  1:29                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25  8:18                                     ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 20:46                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25 21:06                                         ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 21:28                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25  2:57                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25  8:10                               ` Miles Bader
2009-05-26  3:48                               ` Chong Yidong
2009-05-24 23:53                         ` David Reitter
2009-05-25  0:03                           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-25  0:52                           ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25  2:32                             ` David Reitter
2009-05-25  8:35                               ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25  2:26                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-25  2:02                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25  4:16                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-25  8:16                             ` Miles Bader
2009-05-25  9:29                               ` Ulrich Mueller
2009-05-25 10:16                                 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-26  0:13                                 ` Richard M Stallman
2009-05-28 10:38                                   ` David Kastrup
2009-05-28 11:23                                     ` Bastien
2009-05-28 13:38                                     ` Werner LEMBERG
2009-05-29  4:39                                     ` rms
2009-05-26  9:52                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-05-26 12:08                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-26 12:36                                     ` Rupert Swarbrick
2009-05-26 20:12                                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-25  8:17                           ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 13:29                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 17:51                               ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 21:14                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 21:26                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-26  6:56                                   ` Tassilo Horn
2009-05-26 11:37                                     ` Deniz Dogan
2009-05-26 12:24                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-26 12:42                                         ` David Reitter
     [not found]                                           ` <m3hbz8c9qy.fsf@verona.se>
2009-05-26 12:58                                             ` David Reitter
2009-05-26 12:42                                         ` joakim
2009-05-26 13:54                                         ` Jason Rumney
2009-05-26 20:21                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-27  2:50                                             ` Miles Bader
2009-05-26 16:56                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-26 19:17                                   ` Tobias C. Rittweiler
2009-05-14 17:14   ` Bob Nnamtrop
2009-05-14 16:00 ` Shaun Johnson
2009-05-14 16:20   ` David Reitter
2009-05-14 18:17     ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-05-15  5:32       ` David Reitter
2009-05-15  7:18         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-15  7:40         ` Stephen Berman
2009-05-15  7:58           ` Miles Bader
2009-05-15 14:14             ` Drew Adams
2009-05-15 14:21             ` Stephen Berman
2009-05-15 14:27               ` Miles Bader
2009-05-16  6:13               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-17  3:53       ` Stefan Monnier

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